Woman gets death sentence for blasphemy

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Asia Bibi was convicted of insulting Islam's prophet, Mohammed, while working in a field with several Muslim women in a village southwest of Lahore.

Police say Bibi was charged with breaking section 295-C of Pakistan's penal code, which says: "Whoever ... defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/1...kistan/?hpt=T2

Sounds like it has a chance to be overturned, but it is crazy. We humans have a long ways to go.

Get your you-know-what together Pakistan.

[Dion]

A sad day for free speech. It's insane that someone can't speak out against religion and voice thier opinion. I guess some of the Muslim faith have such a low self esteem of thier beliefs that they feel they have to report someone.

[SebC]

That's ridiculous they'd give someone the death sentence for a victimless crime.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by SebC

That's ridiculous they'd give someone the death sentence for a victimless crime.

To you and me maybe; but to them, she's insulted and hurt the big cheese. Hence the sentence.

I bet on forum.KarachiBall.com they're discussing how us idiots in Canada are letting murderers and rapists off with a slap on the wrist.

[Thor]

Police say Bibi was charged with breaking section 295-C of Pakistan's penal code, which says: "Whoever ... defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

lol all kinds of win in that paragraph.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Geez guy's it the law there and she broke it knowing it's a serious offense. They do know the rules of their society, and they should follow the rules. To quote Captain Crunch about a guy and his driving choices:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except that we give the government ruling power through proxy, we abrogate our responsibilities to rule this country through the vote, and all it means if you didn't vote is that you decided to take part in the process, but it does not mean that you chose not to allow the government to govern you.

And this guy is making interpretations through fundamental misunderstandings and interpretation through the study of chosen information and wrong information.

Your participation of this country and its right to govern you and set laws that you must live by is implied by continuing to live within its border. This guy was driving on a road that was probably paid for by the government so he was using a government service so his consent at that point becomes implied.

When he woke up in the morning and turned on his lights which was at some point delivered by a government agency it was implied.

And as far as the whole act contravening civil rights, I think he has it backwards if he talking about international agreements on civil rights.

Beyond the freeman self entitlement living BS.

This is that countries law. They don't like it then leaf! Can't fight it and you can't ignore the law!

Seems more like you want to pick laws you agree with.

/poking bear. Begin the destruction of my post...

[Phanuthier]

Surprising. Well, not really. Welcome to the laws for half of the other side of the world. Pakistan, Dubai, Singapore... I can't set foot in any of these countries without probably getting a death penalty somewhere along the way.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Geez guy's it the law there and she broke it knowing it's a serious offense. They do know the rules of their society, and they should follow the rules. To quote Captain Crunch about a guy and his driving choices:



Beyond the freeman self entitlement living BS.

This is that countries law. They don't like it then leaf! Can't fight it and you can't ignore the law!

Seems more like you want to pick laws you agree with.

/poking bear. Begin the destruction of my post...

Leaving isn't an option in most of the world. That fact itself has horrible results:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dist...elves-on-fire/

The preamble to the american declaration of independance suggests this:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Regardless of your beliefs in a Creator the notion that mankind has inalienable rights is an intriguing one. If you believe this like I do then there are rights that supersedes laws written by any government or any group of men.

Free speech and freedom of religion I would include as inalienable rights. Both of these rights must be present and respected in order for a society to change/improve positively.

[Reggie Dunlop]

It simply continues to be ridiculous

There's going to reach a point where even those in Muslim countries will say enough is enough. Religious oppression is retarted.

Which is why I largely discount the whole supposed rise of Islam. They themselves will turn on their oppressors. Technology is enabling everyday people to reach a worldwide audience.

Muslim kids love their Blackberries, their Techno music, their jeans and everything rooted into a global culture.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

It simply continues to be ridiculous

There's going to reach a point where even those in Muslim countries will say enough is enough. Religious oppression is retarted.

Which is why I largely discount the whole supposed rise of Islam. They themselves will turn on their oppressors. Technology is enabling everyday people to reach a worldwide audience.

Muslim kids love their Blackberries, their Techno music, their jeans and everything rooted into a global culture.

But its difficult to turn against oppression when its religiously based, since the state or the religion uses God to justify their methods and madness. Just look at the most oppressive regime in the world, N. Korea; even with the horrible starvation and fear they still mostly adore their dear leaders as near god like figures.

In a lot of the theocratic Islam nations there is a real fear of not conforming to the religion and of course fear not only of angering their God but probably even more fear of angering the religious authority in their country.

This is the single most problematic thing for the nations of Islam which do not have democracy and the freedoms we enjoy. Turkey is a nation which shows what a nation can be like if it moves more secular and respects all religions, but Turkey is the exception, not the rule in the Islamic world.

So for people fearing Islam's rise in Europe there is really only the concern that as they grow in numbers they grow in political influence and eventually will have enough voting power to enact and turn the society to more in the line of the Koran and even Sharia Law. But I'm sure that EU nations will never allow that point to be reached, it feels like we're going to see some radical right elements grow in power and we'll see possibly something a long the lines of persecution of the Jews in the early to mid 1900's.

Its interesting for me since I moved back to Iceland to see how often tensions with Muslims in Europe is in the news, and having watched a lot of Al-Jazeera it gives one a perspective I didn't get in Canada; that of a lot of the fear being irrational. However we can't deny the facts that if EU nations continue these immigration policies and Muslim families continue to have twice as many children as the Europeans you will eventually face a very different Europe which is what people greatly fear out here.

I don't know how you preserve a secular Europe against this slow war of ideals without a pushback of Christianity or racism which is always bubbling below the surface in many EU nations.

Hmm, that was more than I intended to say lol.

[Calgaryborn]

Some protesters against the execution in the Ukraine:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/847028-t...oning-sentence

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40143564"]Muslim kids love their Blackberries, their Techno music, their jeans and everything rooted into a global culture.

This is a very dangerous way to think. You are mistaking the products of a culture for the culture itself; you can want an iPhone and also want to kill your sister for bringing disgrace upon your family by marrying an apostate.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by jammies

This is a very dangerous way to think. You are mistaking the products of a culture for the culture itself; you can want an iPhone and also want to kill your sister for bringing disgrace upon your family by marrying an apostate.

I disagree. Those gadgets provide access to the internet (which exposes folks to different ideas). It's virtually impossible to block wide swaths of the internet forever.

Facebook contains just as much Islamic criticism as it did last May when various countries temporarily blocked it.

Global communication empowers the individual to question authority. The Internet is to the Muslim world what Gutenberg movable type was to Christian Europe.

[Cheese]

Here is the true God...

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I disagree. Those gadgets provide access to the internet (which exposes folks to different ideas). It's virtually impossible to block wide swaths of the internet forever.

The internet is just a method for spreading ideas. It makes no difference whether those ideas are beneficial or not. I'll remind you that the spread of ideas that Gutenberg enabled sparked off some of the most vicious religious wars in history, as Protestant fought Catholic all over Europe.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I disagree. Those gadgets provide access to the internet (which exposes folks to different ideas). It's virtually impossible to block wide swaths of the internet forever.

Facebook contains just as much Islamic criticism as it did last May when various countries temporarily blocked it.

Global communication empowers the individual to question authority. The Internet is to the Muslim world what Gutenberg movable type was to Christian Europe.

Except that we're seeing a growth in terms of locally grown radicalization where middle and upper class Canadian's and American's with all of this wonderful access to the news services and internet are still willing to commit acts of terrorism.

Just because you have access to information, it doesn't make you smarter. Quite the opposite.

[Muta]

What a primitive law, that is. Seriously?

Can't the government just pray for her forgiveness? Why does it have to be so violent?

This world will be better off once its citizens realize that religion is just a clever ruse.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except that we're seeing a growth in terms of locally grown radicalization where middle and upper class Canadian's and American's with all of this wonderful access to the news services and internet are still willing to commit acts of terrorism.

Just because you have access to information, it doesn't make you smarter. Quite the opposite.

It's surprising how many terrorists are actually well educated people.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by jammies

The internet is just a method for spreading ideas. It makes no difference whether those ideas are beneficial or not. I'll remind you that the spread of ideas that Gutenberg enabled sparked off some of the most vicious religious wars in history, as Protestant fought Catholic all over Europe.

That may well end up happening (Muslim vs. Muslim).

At the same time, apostates don't exactly go about issuing communiques announcing that they're not going to issue fatwas and jihads. They just go about living their quiet unassuming lives.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's surprising how many terrorists are actually well educated people.

It doesn't surprise me, the dumb ones usually have a life span thats measured in days. You want the dumb angry ones to strap on bomb vests.

For the most part there is heavy recruiting of educated people probably with engineering or medical backgrounds because those guys are the most organized and are good planners.

9/11 was a bit weird because the planners were directly involved in the suicides.

Usually university educated people tend to take a narrow view of the world because their young, inexperienced and tend to be willing to absorb a narrow point of view from a teacher or a priest or a Iman.

Its the ones with life experience combined with education that tend to be the hardest to recruit.