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Old 02-05-2011, 10:06 PM   #1
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A 17-year-old youth is dead after being shot by an Edmonton police officer near Rexall Place early Saturday morning. . . .Clifton Purvis, the executive director of the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT), said the suspect came at police armed with a knife and a baseball bat.
One officer fired three shots, wounding the 17-year-old suspect. The teen was taken to hospital where he died during emergency surgery. His name hasn't been released.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:20 PM   #2
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Bad for the cop and even worst for the 17 year old..sad
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:50 PM   #3
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Definitely sad. But as usual this sort of thread will take on two sides. Here's mine. If you don't approach the cops armed, you will not get shot. He had with him a knife and a baseball bat. The cop did what he had to. When will people learn to not approach the cops armed?
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It can be argued that they could've shot him in the leg or something but these guys are trained to shoot and this kid deserved to get shot.

Hard shoes to be in for the cop.
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As far as I know they're also trained to shoot for the torso as it's the biggest target. Using your fire-arm is considered 'lethal force'. I don't think they had much choice.
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Given the circumstances, which don't seem to be in dispute, the cop didn't have any choice. My guess is the kid was drugged up or it was suicide by cop.
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It can be argued that they could've shot him in the leg or something but these guys are trained to shoot and this kid deserved to get shot.

Hard shoes to be in for the cop.
They show a video at the RCMP school of a guy charging the police with a knife, a cop shot the guy 3 times in the legs and he still got far enough to stab him. unfortunately they have to shoot to kill.
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It can be argued that they could've shot him in the leg or something but these guys are trained to shoot and this kid deserved to get shot.

Hard shoes to be in for the cop.
Sorry Bouw it can't be argued, the torso is the thickest part of the body, and therefore a more likely hit. Aiming for the arms and legs might look cool in Hollywood, but pistols aren't exactly the most accurate thing in the world.

In fact some police departments are training their officers to double tap the suspect without hesitation.
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Old 02-06-2011, 12:14 AM   #9
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cops are trained to shoot at center mass. There is no way cops would shoot the leg, head, or anywhere else.
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dont come at a cop with a bat and knife
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Sorry Bouw it can't be argued, the torso is the thickest part of the body, and therefore a more likely hit. Aiming for the arms and legs might look cool in Hollywood, but pistols aren't exactly the most accurate thing in the world.

In fact some police departments are training their officers to double tap the suspect without hesitation.
Oh, I'm not arguing it.. But I forsee people using that as an argument in this case. I work with a former LAPD officer and he told me they are trained for two in the chest automatically.
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In fact some police departments are training their officers to double tap the suspect without hesitation.
Double tap? Like one in the head and one in the chest?

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So they didn't have a tazer on hand?...these types of incidents are perfect for tazer use. Oh yeah I forgot, the police can't help but go overboard and use them on everybody.
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It can be argued that they could've shot him in the leg or something but these guys are trained to shoot and this kid deserved to get shot.

Hard shoes to be in for the cop.
As you said, cops are trained to shoot and ONLY shoot for the kill. They dont mess around.

Dont come after cops with weapons and you wont have a problem.
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So they didn't have a tazer on hand?...these types of incidents are perfect for tazer use. Oh yeah I forgot, the police can't help but go overboard and use them on everybody.
While I agree there has been a lot of recorded abuse from the police, this guy here was pretty stupid. Attacking an armed policeman with a knife and a bat?! He's 17 and he probably watched enough "Cops" to see exactly what will happen when armed men in chicken stained wife beaters attack police.

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So they didn't have a tazer on hand?...these types of incidents are perfect for tazer use. Oh yeah I forgot, the police can't help but go overboard and use them on everybody.
No, you're 100% wrong. Tasers are NOT for stopping an armed charging attacker. What happens when you fire a tazer and one of the wires hits his kinfe and is ineffective? You get stabbed

If said dude was swinging just his fist trying to hit the cops, sure, then tasers are more than appropriate. Knives are a different story
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I think this is a the standard if a person charges at a cop with a weapon they have forfeited their life. Now if the cop ends up not killing we should be surprised. Not the other way around.

The cop in this case did his job unlike the other case on this board. If a cop draws his gun it should be with the intent of being willing to kill someone. Nothing wrong here.

I hope the officer gets anyhelp he needs to move on with his career as despite this being justified I suspect it is hard to kill someone.
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So they didn't have a tazer on hand?...these types of incidents are perfect for tazer use.
I think you need a stapler in your hand to get tazed 5 times.
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I am no police officer but if someone charged me with a knife and bat they would have received the same treatment if I was carrying a pistol...
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Also with tasers, I've seen on cops a couple times if they guy is really drugged up the taser barely has an effect. This was definitely not a situation where I taser could be used.
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