Racism? In Canada? Never!

[calf]

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1 in 6 a victim of racisim

1.7 million would not welcome someone of another race as their neighbor

3.1 million would never marry or have a relationship with someone of another race.


These numbers are too high for me - I thought Canadians were more tolerant than this.

[Cain]

This is a country that is split on giving equal rights to homosexuals...Doesn't surprise me.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Anyone who thinks that Canada doesn't have a racist past and doesn't have a fairly racist culture is fooling themselves. Everyone pats themselves on the back about not having slaves and the slave trade ignoring the fact that the difference lies in Canada well didn't have slaves for as long as the USA. There were still slave in Canada I do believe.

At the same time look at our governments method of dealing with aboriginals... hell we pretty much tried to distroy their culture... and that wasn't ancient past. That was 30-40 years ago....

Canada it is sad to say is not a very tollerant nation, well at least not to the degree that we often think of ourselves.

[Patek23]

Trust me I feel that there is tons of rasicsm in Canada, and I see it everday because ironically I have friends who are white, personally I feel the numbers should be higher but thats in my neighborhood.

But, I have a problem with how many people were tested there are roughly 33 million people in Canada this servey only questioned 1001 that's 0.003 percent of the population, for me to consider it accurate wether the numbers rised or lowered there would have to be at least 50,000 questioned, with just 1001 thats just not enough to represent Canada, unless they questioned just one province or city.

[Clarkey]

Originally posted by Cain@Mar 22 2005, 04:34 AM
This is a country that is split on giving equal rights to homosexuals...Doesn't surprise me.

Should polygamist's be given equal rights to marry?

I personally am at the point of not really caring about gay marriage because I am able to ignore it without it affecting me too much. However, if gays are allowed I think polygamists should be too, based on that precedent.

I'm white and I've been a victim of racism, but so what I'm not complaining.

If they're good people I wouldn't care what ethnicity my new neighbour is.

As for dating, I like blonde girls, but that's not to say that if I was single and found someone of another race/background who knocked me off my feet I wouldn't go for it.

[RougeUnderoos]

It'd be interesting to know what is defined as "racism" and what questions were asked.

I've "experienced" racism and I'm about as honky-looking as you can get. That 17% seems quite low to me.

Interesting to note though that 7% of Canadians are profoundly ######ed and would not welcome someone of another race as a neighbor.

13% of Canadians would never marry or have a relationship with a person of another race? Good. That 3 million or so can continue inbreeding and the rest of us can continue not living in the 1950s.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by calf@Mar 21 2005, 10:29 PM
1 in 6 a victim of racisim
1.7 million would not welcome someone of another race as their neighbor
3.1 million would never marry or have a relationship with someone of another race

I'd like to see these numbers by age group. I can't count the number of times I've heard people 50 and over crack a N-bomb line around me. I used to work with this otherwise sweet 63 yr old secretary who one day called licorice babies "ni**er toes". It's just the way they were brought up. Not that it's right, and you hope they would have changed by now. Some just dont.

It would also be interesting to see these by urban / rural lines. Oyen, Alberta would be certain to have a different reaction as to say, the Kensington district of Calgary.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Seems to me if you look at the actual poll it's really not bad, in fact it's pretty good.

The article takes a decidedly glass half empty sort of look at things.

For example:
'1.7 million would not welcome someone of another race as their neighbor'.

Maybe. But 92% of respondents said they would welcome someone of another race as their neighbor.

And outside quebec, the number of 'profoundly ######ed' drops significantly. Even in good old redneck alberta, the supposed hotbed of intolerance, just 5% of people somewhat or strongly agreed with that statement. Is that bad? Sure. But you can find 5% of people to somewhat or strongly agree on just about anything. That's about as close to 0 as you're going to get.

[Hakan]

Originally posted by Clarkey+Mar 21 2005, 10:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Clarkey @ Mar 21 2005, 10:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Cain@Mar 22 2005, 04:34 AM
This is a country that is split on giving equal rights to homosexuals...Doesn't surprise me.

Should polygamist's be given equal rights to marry?

I personally am at the point of not really caring about gay marriage because I am able to ignore it without it affecting me too much. However, if gays are allowed I think polygamists should be too, based on that precedent.

I'm white and I've been a victim of racism, but so what I'm not complaining.

If they're good people I wouldn't care what ethnicity my new neighbour is.

As for dating, I like blonde girls, but that's not to say that if I was single and found someone of another race/background who knocked me off my feet I wouldn't go for it.[/b][/quote]
Ok fine, I'll bite.

You are able to ignore it without it affecting you too much...

What the christ are you talking about? How does gay marriage affect you even remotely? Do you get nightmares of gay people marrying or something? If so you need a psychiatrist.

And please explain your logic allowing for polygamists to be married if gay people get married. Aren't polygamists mostly hetero? Shouldn't you be worried about heterosexual marriages leading to polygamist marriages instead of gay marriage?

And what kind of racism have you been the victim of? Were you the victim of racism once in your life? Oh how bad you must feel to have one instance, in your life, to feel what it's like to be racially discriminated against (if indeed you were racially discriminated against).

You wont care what ethnicity your neighbors are so long as they're good people and not gay. Good for you.

Here's a piece of advice: take your head out of your priviledged white hetero ass.

[evman150]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse+Mar 21 2005, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I-Hate-Hulse @ Mar 21 2005, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-calf@Mar 21 2005, 10:29 PM
1 in 6 a victim of racisim
1.7 million would not welcome someone of another race as their neighbor
3.1 million would never marry or have a relationship with someone of another race

I'd like to see these numbers by age group. I can't count the number of times I've heard people 50 and over crack a N-bomb line around me. I used to work with this otherwise sweet 63 yr old secretary who one day called licorice babies "ni**er toes". It's just the way they were brought up. Not that it's right, and you hope they would have changed by now. Some just dont.

It would also be interesting to see these by urban / rural lines. Oyen, Alberta would be certain to have a different reaction as to say, the Kensington district of Calgary. [/b][/quote]
I'm sorry, but I have always known the black licorice candies as "******** babies". No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. I've never heard them called anything else. None of me or the people I associate with are racist, that's just what they've always been called.

As for the survery, suddenly I'm racist if I don't want to have a relationship with people of another race? That makes me sick. It's not my fault I'm not attracted whatsoever to other races. And I resent being labelled as "stuck in the 50's".

What really makes me mad is the double standard that exists. There can be a Black Entertainment channel and an Aboriginal Peoples network but can you imagine the outcry if someone made a White Man Channel?

And Maxwell, unless I am severely severely mistaken, there have NEVER been slaves in the Dominion of Canada.

I read in today's paper the government is spending 56 million over the next five years on anti-racism programs. If that is not the biggest waste of taxpayers' dollars I don't know what is. That money should be going to education and health care, not towards telling Joe Blow from Surrey it's okay his city has turned into New Bombay.

As you can tell I hate political correctness.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by evman150@Mar 21 2005, 11:51 PM
I'm sorry, but I have always known the black licorice candies as "******** babies". No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. I've never heard them called anything else. None of me or the people I associate with are racist, that's just what they've always been called.

As for the survery, suddenly I'm racist if I don't want to have a relationship with people of another race? That makes me sick. It's not my fault I'm not attracted whatsoever to other races. And I resent being labelled as "stuck in the 50's".

What really makes me mad is the double standard that exists. There can be a Black Entertainment channel and an Aboriginal Peoples network but can you imagine the outcry if someone made a White Man Channel?

And Maxwell, unless I am severely severely mistaken, there have NEVER been slaves in the Dominion of Canada.

I read in today's paper the government is spending 56 million over the next five years on anti-racism programs. If that is not the biggest waste of taxpayers' dollars I don't know what is. That money should be going to education and health care, not towards telling Joe Blow from Surrey it's okay his city has turned into New Bombay.

As you can tell I hate political correctness.

Fair enough I guess.

Just because you use racist language and find people of other races "unattractive" doesn't mean you are a racist.

Oh wait. Yes it does.

Where exactly do you shop for your candy?

"No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. "

What you seem to be saying here is "it's a racist thing to say, and I say it, so it's not a thing of the past".

You want to rephrase that maybe?

Slavery went on in Canada so I guess you are "severely severely wrong". Look it up.

[Phanuthier]

I'm of visable ethnic minority and I don't have any trouble with racism.

I do have a little trouble scoring with chicks of a different race, however... dammit...

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by evman150@Mar 22 2005, 12:51 AM
I'm sorry, but I have always known the black licorice candies as "******** babies". No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. I've never heard them called anything else. None of me or the people I associate with are racist, that's just what they've always been called.

As for the survery, suddenly I'm racist if I don't want to have a relationship with people of another race? That makes me sick. It's not my fault I'm not attracted whatsoever to other races. And I resent being labelled as "stuck in the 50's".

What really makes me mad is the double standard that exists. There can be a Black Entertainment channel and an Aboriginal Peoples network but can you imagine the outcry if someone made a White Man Channel?

And Maxwell, unless I am severely severely mistaken, there have NEVER been slaves in the Dominion of Canada.

I read in today's paper the government is spending 56 million over the next five years on anti-racism programs. If that is not the biggest waste of taxpayers' dollars I don't know what is. That money should be going to education and health care, not towards telling Joe Blow from Surrey it's okay his city has turned into New Bombay.

As you can tell I hate political correctness.

There's a difference between "political" correctness and "racism" and clearly you don't understand the difference between the two. Making a stink about calling someone "black" vs "African american" is one thing, dropping the N-Bomb clearly is entirely different.

Fact of the matter is, one group does not get to determine what is a "racial slur" to another group. Tell you what. Knock on Jarome's door, or the biggest black dude you can find. Call him Ni**er to his face. If you manage to not get the crap kicked out of you, do let us know if he think's it's wrong, and whether it matters "that's just what they've always been called"

I agree the wording of the "relationship" questions is somewhat ambigious, for the reasons Evman so eloquently demonstrated. A better question would be whether people approve of inter-racial relationships.

No system of slavery, but we did manage to import a whole bunch of Chinese to work on the railroads for us. Treated em awesome didn't we? Yeah, a real shining moment in Canadian history, right up there with Internment in our Greatest Hits Album.

As for the government spending 56 million to combat racism - who else is going do it? You? Clearly not. Clearly some work needs to be done here.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by evman150@Mar 22 2005, 12:51 AM
What really makes me mad is the double standard that exists. There can be a Black Entertainment channel and an Aboriginal Peoples network but can you imagine the outcry if someone made a White Man Channel?

Sort of like the outcry us whities would make if a black person tried to have a voice in governmental affairs in apartheid Africa, or if an aboriginal took offense to some white colony being set up on their land.

I really have no problem at all with this so called 'double standard' in society when it comes to racism. Based on our history of acceptance and accomodation of other races, I don't really think we should be raising to much of a fuss over whatever outcry would result over a 'White Man Channel'...

[HOZ]

Yes I cannot tell how many times I have been generalised, called Whitey, denied services, cheap beer, promotions, jobs in detention facilities, and insulted....


all because people immediately think, by my appearance, that I am a WASP.

I a may be white

I may be Anglo-saxon (maybe...not likely)

But how do they figure that I am a protestant or christian for that matter?


Personally I think that survey is misleading. I say there is a larger minority that has been the victim of racism!!!

[evman150]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Mar 21 2005, 11:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Mar 21 2005, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evman150@Mar 21 2005, 11:51 PM
I'm sorry, but I have always known the black licorice candies as "******** babies". No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. I've never heard them called anything else. None of me or the people I associate with are racist, that's just what they've always been called.

As for the survery, suddenly I'm racist if I don't want to have a relationship with people of another race? That makes me sick. It's not my fault I'm not attracted whatsoever to other races. And I resent being labelled as "stuck in the 50's".

What really makes me mad is the double standard that exists. There can be a Black Entertainment channel and an Aboriginal Peoples network but can you imagine the outcry if someone made a White Man Channel?

And Maxwell, unless I am severely severely mistaken, there have NEVER been slaves in the Dominion of Canada.

I read in today's paper the government is spending 56 million over the next five years on anti-racism programs. If that is not the biggest waste of taxpayers' dollars I don't know what is. That money should be going to education and health care, not towards telling Joe Blow from Surrey it's okay his city has turned into New Bombay.

As you can tell I hate political correctness.

Fair enough I guess.

Just because you use racist language and find people of other races "unattractive" doesn't mean you are a racist.

Oh wait. Yes it does.

Where exactly do you shop for your candy?

"No doubt it's racist, but to label it as a thing of the past is blatantly wrong. "

What you seem to be saying here is "it's a racist thing to say, and I say it, so it's not a thing of the past".

You want to rephrase that maybe?

Slavery went on in Canada so I guess you are "severely severely wrong". Look it up. [/b][/quote]
Obviously the candy does not say "n____ babies" on the box. It's just what I know them as. I don't feel something like that makes me racist. It's not like obscure candy references come up in everyday life. I'm just informing you that the term is not antiquated as you seem to imply by your reference to a 63 year old woman using it.

I find people of other races unattractive and that makes me racist. I really do not understand this one. I cannot help who I am attraceted to. It's just my nature. And I don't think it's possible to be inherently (biologically) racist. If it is, then I guess you can call me biologically racist.

And concerning slavery in Canada, I looked it up and found zilch. If you have some links which support your thoughts please post them.

[flamingchina]

I've been a victim of racism, although not in Canada.. (But theres no racism in China you know... )
One of my old girlfriends is asian though, and although it doesn't happen often, she gets people asking her how long she's been in Canada, people talking slow to her.. (she was born in Canada, and doesn't speak a lick of Chinese).
Then though, what about the asian parents not letting there daughter date a pakistani? or an indian only wanting to hire other indians..
I find most of the people who don't want there children to marry another race aren't white..
But there is racism in Canada, I think most if not all minorities have experianced it but it is from a fairly small minority of people. (I know only one person I'd actually consider to be racist.)

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by evman150@Mar 22 2005, 08:20 AM
Obviously the candy does not say "n____ babies" on the box. It's just what I know them as. I don't feel something like that makes me racist. It's not like obscure candy references come up in everyday life. I'm just informing you that the term is not antiquated as you seem to imply by your reference to a 63 year old woman using it.

I know them as that too, but I'd never disgrace myself by actually calling them that. Ever. Even by myself. Using vocabulary like that propagates hate, regardless of how innocent you seem to think it is. Thinking Black people or Jews were less human than Whites used to be what people just 'know them as', but that sure doesn't make it close to right.

I'm just informing you that the term is not antiquated as you seem to imply by your reference to a 63 year old woman using it.

The term is thouroughly antiquated, and if you ever hear anyone say it who's under the age of 50, you're looking a racist smack in the eye. It may be that that racism is a result of their upbringing, fair enough, but its still completely wrong.

I find people of other races unattractive and that makes me racist. I really do not understand this one. I cannot help who I am attraceted to. It's just my nature. And I don't think it's possible to be inherently (biologically) racist. If it is, then I guess you can call me biologically racist.

I'd suggest you're right, its probably not possible to be inherently biologically racist. This means that you prefer your own race for other reasons, most likely as a result of your upbringing and environment. If you'd been brought up in a completely multi-racial society, with no race barriers, you'd probably be attracted to every kind of skin colour under the rainbow. It just so happens that you apparently didn't grow up in anything close to this type of environment.

And concerning slavery in Canada, I looked it up and found zilch. If you have some links which support your thoughts please post them.

How hard did you search? Type 'slavery in Canada' in Google and take a look at the first hit. There appears to be some evidence that there indeed were slaves in Canada, under both the French and English. This is the first hit, I'm sure there are others,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by evman150@Mar 22 2005, 02:20 AM
Obviously the candy does not say "n____ babies" on the box. It's just what I know them as. I don't feel something like that makes me racist. It's not like obscure candy references come up in everyday life. I'm just informing you that the term is not antiquated as you seem to imply by your reference to a 63 year old woman using it.

I find people of other races unattractive and that makes me racist. I really do not understand this one. I cannot help who I am attraceted to. It's just my nature. And I don't think it's possible to be inherently (biologically) racist. If it is, then I guess you can call me biologically racist.

And concerning slavery in Canada, I looked it up and found zilch. If you have some links which support your thoughts please post them.

That was my example. I forgot to add that dear old Laurena actually caught herself after saying that, with a look of embarassment. She knew it was unacceptable in today's society and that it was from a era gone by. Might have been because there was someone Black in our office. The term for that candy is as antiquated as a Head Tax.

As I said earlier, you are of course entitled to be attracted to anyone. The question is a badly worded one as it's entirely possible to not be attracted to someone and not be racist. The better question is whether you consider inter-racial marriages OK or not.

Flamingchina: you're right about other races probably being the most intolerant. Look at the background of it though. The ones that have the biggest objection are typically 1st generation who were raised back in the home country. Usually, by the 2nd generation, they've learned different. To those that would consider this a double standard - would you consider Canada to have a more accepting and progressive society then that "home country"?

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse@Mar 22 2005, 04:05 PM
Flamingchina: you're right about other races probably being the most intolerant. Look at the background of it though. The ones that have the biggest objection are typically 1st generation who were raised back in the home country. Usually, by the 2nd generation, they've learned different. To those that would consider this a double standard - would you consider Canada to have a more accepting and progressive society then that "home country"?

He is? Other races? I assume this is meant to imply that white North Americans are more tolerant than non-white North Americans (first generation or otherwise)? Or non-white non-North Americans? What about the fact that this is many white person's 'home country'.

Clearly you guys have to take a look at some of the white enclaves on this continent. In the US south I'd wager there are thousands (millions) of white families who would 'strongly prefer' their son/daughter marry a white person. I seriously doubt we can peg intolerance on other societies/religions when our backyard is _full_ of it. Nor do I believe that this intolerance is strictly geographically confined to the southern US, I'm sure its alive and healthy in Canada, especially in some of the rural areas of our own dear province.