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01-04-2010, 09:09 AM
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So the alternative to the PC's is PC's called something different?
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01-04-2010, 09:18 AM
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So the alternative to the PC's is PC's called something different?
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PC's are leaning to far left. Wild Rose is more to the right which is what most PC supporters want.
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01-04-2010, 09:34 AM
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PC's are leaning to far left.
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Major hyperbole. Far left is Chairman Mao.
No MLA should be allowed to jump parties without a by-election.
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01-04-2010, 09:37 AM
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Major hyperbole. Far left is Chairman Mao.
No MLA should be allowed to jump parties without a by-election.
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That only applies when its Belinda Stronach moving to the hated Liberals to help keep a government in power that people in Alberta didn't want. Otherwise provincially this will be seen as "smart" or "clever" or "moving along with public sentiment" or other such nonsense.
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01-04-2010, 09:37 AM
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PC's are leaning to far left. Wild Rose is more to the right which is what most PC supporters want.
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I think you'd find it has less to do with the ideology of the party and more to do with the PC's sense of entitlement, complacency and downright poor leadership. Stelmach is arguably the worst leader this province has ever seen.
The funny thing is that everyone saw it coming right from the get go. The way he won the party nomination was comical.
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01-04-2010, 09:38 AM
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Major hyperbole. Far left is Chairman Mao.
No MLA should be allowed to jump parties without a by-election.
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I am a supporter of the WRA but I agree that MLA's and MP's should not be allowed to switch parties without a by-election. They should sit as independents until such time.
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01-04-2010, 09:38 AM
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Getty was worse than Stelmach.
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01-04-2010, 09:40 AM
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Major hyperbole. Far left is Chairman Mao.
No MLA should be allowed to jump parties without a by-election.
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True. I do not like this, aside from the fact that it further undermines the Head Bumpkin...
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01-04-2010, 10:08 AM
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Major hyperbole. Far left is Chairman Mao.
No MLA should be allowed to jump parties without a by-election.
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No, he said the PC's were too far left, relative to what he believes Albertans want, not that they are "far left".
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Originally Posted by Slava
That only applies when its Belinda Stronach moving to the hated Liberals to help keep a government in power that people in Alberta didn't want. Otherwise provincially this will be seen as "smart" or "clever" or "moving along with public sentiment" or other such nonsense.
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You are, of course, conveniently failing to mention how Stronach was bribed with a cabinet post to cross. Certainly is different than two MLAs crossing to join the fourth (now third) party because of dissatisfaction with the actions of their current party.
That said, in an ideal world, it would be better if there was tangible evidence that the people in the Airdrie-Chestermere and Calgary-Fish Creek ridings support this move. If they do, then all power to them, though yes, going to a by-election would be ideal.
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01-04-2010, 10:11 AM
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Had an idea!
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I think you'd find it has less to do with the ideology of the party and more to do with the PC's sense of entitlement, complacency and downright poor leadership. Stelmach is arguably the worst leader this province has ever seen.
The funny thing is that everyone saw it coming right from the get go. The way he won the party nomination was comical.
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I prefer to think he didn't win the party nomination at all.
I didn't vote for him. Anyone else?
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01-04-2010, 10:12 AM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
I am a supporter of the WRA but I agree that MLA's and MP's should not be allowed to switch parties without a by-election. They should sit as independents until such time.
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True. I do not like this, aside from the fact that it further undermines the Head Bumpkin...
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Same here. Love the fact that it screws over the Conservatives, but they can screw them over by sitting as Independents too.
Shouldn't be allowed to actually switch parties.
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01-04-2010, 10:15 AM
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Party switching is all part of the Westminster system. If the voters don't like it, they can always boot them out next election.
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01-04-2010, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
No, he said the PC's were too far left, relative to what he believes Albertans want, not that they are "far left".
You are, of course, conveniently failing to mention how Stronach was bribed with a cabinet post to cross. Certainly is different than two MLAs crossing to join the fourth (now third) party because of dissatisfaction with the actions of their current party.
That said, in an ideal world, it would be better if there was tangible evidence that the people in the Airdrie-Chestermere and Calgary-Fish Creek ridings support this move. If they do, then all power to them, though yes, going to a by-election would be ideal.
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I live in Airdrie and I support this move. This is what happens when people vote for the nice guy insted of the get the job done guy. 
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01-04-2010, 10:17 AM
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As of last night, Anderson no longer listed himself as a Progressive Conservative on his Facebook page.
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No need for a press conference now. If its on Facebook its legit. 
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01-04-2010, 10:17 AM
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Party switching is all part of the Westminster system. If the voters don't like it, they can always boot them out next election.
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Why should they have to wait? Because this is the way we have always done it? Reform is needed.
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01-04-2010, 10:20 AM
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I live in Airdrie and I support this move. This is what happens when people vote for the nice guy insted of the get the job done guy. |
It wasn't that he was a nice guy, it was the Southern Alberta vote was split along internal ideological lines, and north of Red Deer everyone was like "OMG We can't let the next Premier be from Calgary again!!!1111!!!!". In terms of the Edmonton area media, the week in between the two votes helped them a whole lot up here. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of memberships were sold during that week.
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Why should they have to wait? Because this is the way we have always done it? Reform is needed.
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I'm a fan of Proportional Representation myself, but I might as well grab my dad's diary and go looking for the Holy Grail.
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01-04-2010, 10:21 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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I live in Airdrie and I support this move. This is what happens when people vote for the nice guy insted of the get the job done guy. |
Agreed. I would be perfectly happy if Arthur Johnston crossed as well. It is part of the system, though I agree with Troutman that Alberta and Canadian politics could use an overhaul.
Ironically though, crossing the floor could serve their constituents well even if the voters would prefer they be represented by Tories. If the WRA hits the PCs enough times, the old party might find it in itself to reorganize into something that better represents the wishes of the people, thus snuffing out the protest vote.
Or it could go the way of Social Credit, which utterly failed to adapt to the population.
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01-04-2010, 10:25 AM
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I'm a fan of Proportional Representation myself, but I might as well grab my dad's diary and go looking for the Holy Grail.
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People have the power!
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01-04-2010, 10:27 AM
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Why should they have to wait? Because this is the way we have always done it? Reform is needed.
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Because not everything needs to be turned into a populist sideshow. They were elected to govern, let them govern with the best interests of their constituents in mind. Besides, only a foolish representative would cross the floor without testing the waters of his riding.
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