Missing U of C student found

[Pagal4321]

Didn't see a thread on this yet, maybe I'm going blind.
Heard it on 1010 this morning. Missing student doing an MBA I beleive, was 25, missing since first week of February. Found in the Bow River this morning. Can't find a link for it.
Very very sad to hear it ends th is way but it seems foul play has been ruled out.
Says some kind of accident caused him to fall into the Bow.

EDIT: clicked Submit before I was done.

[BlackArcher101]

Probably decided to cross the ice on the river going home after a night out downtown, and fell through the ice. One reason to always have buddies with you.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Mar 8 2005, 01:45 PM
Probably decided to cross the ice on the river going home after a night out downtown, and fell through the ice. One reason to always have buddies with you.

If the guy was dumb enough to try walking across the Bow River at any time then this is more of a case of Darwinism at it's best. No matter how drunk I've been, I've never been stupid enough to do anything like that.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Reaper+Mar 8 2005, 10:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Mar 8 2005, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-BlackArcher101@Mar 8 2005, 01:45 PM
Probably decided to cross the ice on the river going home after a night out downtown, and fell through the ice. One reason to always have buddies with you.

If the guy was dumb enough to try walking across the Bow River at any time then this is more of a case of Darwinism at it's best. No matter how drunk I've been, I've never been stupid enough to do anything like that.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, I'm sure the Political Science Grad student was just naturally stupid, the booze didn't play a factor... right. Pretty poor comment.

A tragedy indeed, sucks when someone so young dies like this.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Mar 8 2005, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Mar 8 2005, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

If the guy was dumb enough to try walking across the Bow River at any time then this is more of a case of Darwinism at it's best. No matter how drunk I've been, I've never been stupid enough to do anything like that.

Yeah, I'm sure the Political Science Grad student was just naturally stupid, the booze didn't play a factor... right. Pretty poor comment.

A tragedy indeed, sucks when someone so young dies like this. [/b][/quote]
I don't really care if you think my comment was "poor" or not.

So, because he was a Political Science grad student that means that he would automatically be competent in all measures of intelligence? No, it doesn't because formal education is not the only measurement of intelligence. In my opinion it doesn't even come close to being the most important measure, either.

Also, I didn't say that the fact that he was intoxicated wasn't a factor in attempting to walk across a frozen Bow River. However, I think that you might not have the best concept of danger or personal limitations if alcohol is the "reason" that you might try to do something inherently dangerous as walking on the ice of a river that moves at a good clip in an area known for inconsistent weather. Chinooks plus fast moving water tend not to make for stable, thick ice.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Reaper+Mar 8 2005, 11:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Mar 8 2005, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yeah, I'm sure the Political Science Grad student was just naturally stupid, the booze didn't play a factor... right. Pretty poor comment.

A tragedy indeed, sucks when someone so young dies like this.

I don't really care if you think my comment was "poor" or not.

So, because he was a Political Science grad student that means that he would automatically be competent in all measures of intelligence? No, it doesn't because formal education is not the only measurement of intelligence. In my opinion it doesn't even come close to being the most important measure, either.

Also, I didn't say that the fact that he was intoxicated wasn't a factor in attempting to walk across a frozen Bow River. However, I think that you might not have the best concept of danger or personal limitations if alcohol is the "reason" that you might try to do something inherently dangerous as walking on the ice of a river that moves at a good clip in an area known for inconsistent weather. Chinooks plus fast moving water tend not to make for stable, thick ice.[/b][/quote]
Fair enough. I guess I found offense when you said that this was 'a case of Darwinism at its best', which I found both false and heartless. The fact that he's a grad student doesn't mean he's brilliant, but you seem to imply in your original post that he's the reason he's dead because he's 'dumb enough'. What the hell do you know about it? If this was 'Darwinism', that sort of assumes he was going to die like this at some point regardless of the circumstances, which I find totally untrue.

If someone gets drunk, stumbles across a road, and gets hit by a car, that's natural selection? Please.

I met the guy, he was in my department. He was no more 'stupid' than you or I, just a drunken individual who made the wrong choice, end of story.

I don't really care if you think my comment was "poor" or not.

That's good, because I've a feeling I'm not alone.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Mar 8 2005, 05:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Mar 8 2005, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I don't really care if you think my comment was "poor" or not.

So, because he was a Political Science grad student that means that he would automatically be competent in all measures of intelligence? No, it doesn't because formal education is not the only measurement of intelligence. In my opinion it doesn't even come close to being the most important measure, either.

Also, I didn't say that the fact that he was intoxicated wasn't a factor in attempting to walk across a frozen Bow River. However, I think that you might not have the best concept of danger or personal limitations if alcohol is the "reason" that you might try to do something inherently dangerous as walking on the ice of a river that moves at a good clip in an area known for inconsistent weather. Chinooks plus fast moving water tend not to make for stable, thick ice.

Fair enough. I guess I found offense when you said that this was 'a case of Darwinism at its best', which I found both false and heartless. The fact that he's a grad student doesn't mean he's brilliant, but you seem to imply in your original post that he's the reason he's dead because he's 'dumb enough'. What the hell do you know about it? If this was 'Darwinism', that sort of assumes he was going to die like this at some point regardless of the circumstances, which I find totally untrue.

If someone gets drunk, stumbles across a road, and gets hit by a car, that's natural selection? Please.

I met the guy, he was in my department. He was no more 'stupid' than you or I, just a drunken individual who made the wrong choice, end of story.

I don't really care if you think my comment was "poor" or not.

That's good, because I've a feeling I'm not alone. [/b][/quote]
Hey! Let's have a jump to conclusions contest!

If the guy was dumb enough to try walking across the Bow River at any time then this is more of a case of Darwinism at it's best.

Now, do I say anywhere that it's not a tragedy that he died? No, I don't.

Do I say anywhere that he did anything intentional that made him deserve death? No, I don't.

You seem to act like I am slamming on the guy and dancing on his grave.

Sometimes horrible accidents happen to people. Sometimes those horrible accidents happen because of poor decisions on their part or the part of others.

Don't get me wrong, my heart goes out to his family. It is a horrible thing for a parent to have to bury a child.

Now, I was just commenting on the original hypothesis that if he had tried to cross the river walking on the ice then that wasn't a very smart thing to have done.

I'm not even confirming that the turn of events that lead to his death went down in that manner.

Maybe I'm just desensitized to stories like this because all of my Dad's brothers save for one caused their own deaths through stupid decisions that they made themselves. Boating without a lifejacket while drunk - stupid. Getting hit by a truck while attempting to run across a 4 lane highway with a gas can - stupid. Leaving the hospital after a heart attack against medical advice so you can die in the apartment parkade instead of receiving proper medical treatment that could save your life - stupid. Just because I think they made really dumb mistakes that caused their own demises doesn't mean that they deserved their fates. Sometimes shat happens because people are falible and imperfect. Personally, I find it a wonder that this kind of stuff doesn't happen more often.