With Pontiac going bye bye would you still consider purchasing a Pontiac? From what I've heard, the warranty will be covered by GM? I saw a local ad a month or so ago where they were knocking something like $6000 off the price of a new Vibe.
Why not? Its always been a GM vehicle and they share the majority of the components with other GM's. Plus the aftermarket and GM will supply parts for years to come.
Aren't Vibes really a Toyota Matrix wearing a pair of Pontiac pants? I seem to remember hearing this somewhere...might have been from a buddy in the car industry.
Aren't Vibes really a Toyota Matrix wearing a pair of Pontiac pants? I seem to remember hearing this somewhere...might have been from a buddy in the car industry.
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As somebody who has never owned anything buy GM cars- my current one will be my last one. I have watched the quality go downhill over the years, and issues that I brought to my dealer under warranty were not addressed; and now that the car is off warranty are no longer covered:
- Intake manifold gasket. There is finally a class action suit on this one, and if I took it to the dealer I would get $100 off the ~$1500 repair.
- ABS sensor- I reported an issue at 40K; now it's bad enough to show up in the computer logs.
- Rust protection. GM- "No by rust protection we only cover if there are actual holes in your vehicle.
- Seat belt locks. The drivers side seatbelt will lock up with the slightest change in inertia; meaning that coming off a cloverleaf it will lock up preventing me from shoulder checking on my merge.
Get that quote on the Vibe, go into the Toyota dealership and get them to match it.
Breif history: John DeLorean was head of Pontiac and eventually GM. Left GM to do his own thing, DMC. DMC 'closed' in 1983. In 1995, Steve Wynne, former DMC mechanic bought all the rights and parts for DMC. Now the current DMC is trying to buy Pontiac, in honour of John.
Yes, I plan on getting a DeLorean. Original 1981 DeLorean DMC-12
Aren't Vibes really a Toyota Matrix wearing a pair of Pontiac pants? I seem to remember hearing this somewhere...might have been from a buddy in the car industry.
Yes, they are basically the same except for the body.
I thought the Vibe had a GM engine while the Matrix had a Toyota engine. If true, that's a fairly meaningful distinction.
Would I buy a new Vibe? No. Take whatever money you were planning on buying a new Pontiac Vibe with and put it into something cooler that is a year or two old. That'd be a way better buy IMO.
I thought the Vibe had a GM engine while the Matrix had a Toyota engine. If true, that's a fairly meaningful distinction.
Would I buy a new Vibe? No. Take whatever money you were planning on buying a new Pontiac Vibe with and put it into something cooler that is a year or two old. That'd be a way better buy IMO.
No same engine. The car was a joint venture between GM and Toyota.
Older cars are not necessarily a better buy at this point. Cars in the last 2 years have gotten better by leaps and bounds. They have also gotten cheaper. It all really depends on what your intentions are for the vehicle long term though and how you plan to use it.
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Seriously, I've never been much of a Pontiac guy myself but there is so much parts commonality between GM products that you'd probably be alright buying one. Like some of the other posters have indicated, just don't expect great warranty service so if you're going to do it, it better be a really good deal.
I almost bought a Saturn Outlook for the same reason - HUGE discount - but in the end decided against it because I just wasn't comfortable with the situation. Kind of like finding a sinking ship and letting the crew sell you things they were just going to throw overboard.
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I would never buy a Pontiac. They look horrible (why did they do the chunky button thing for so damn long?), are cheaply built compared to the competition, and they don't seem to drive that great (way too many bad rental car experiences here).
There are better domestic options out there if that's a concern (Ford seems to be going down a solid path these days). You might save 6K now, but in the end you'll pay for it with poor deprecation and well, a crappy car.
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I have owned 3 Pontiacs and all were great cars. Maybe I just got lucky 3 times in 3 tries, but I have nothing bad to say about them at all. I would definitely buy one again.
You'll find most people who say bad things about Pontiacs have never actually owned one.
Only buy one if you are poor, old and think its acadillac.
There should be no "and" in there. But you missed a word fotze.
I wouldn't touch a Pontiac or anything America made at this point unless it was a truck.
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I thought the Vibe had a GM engine while the Matrix had a Toyota engine. If true, that's a fairly meaningful distinction.
Would I buy a new Vibe? No. Take whatever money you were planning on buying a new Pontiac Vibe with and put it into something cooler that is a year or two old. That'd be a way better buy IMO.
The real distinction between the Matrix and the Vibe is that the Matrix is made in Ontario and the Vibe is made in California. Mechanically, the cars are the same. Other than front and rear clips, different shaped rear window and some very minor sheet metal differences in the rear quarter windows they are the same car.
I thought the Vibe had a GM engine while the Matrix had a Toyota engine. If true, that's a fairly meaningful distinction.
Would I buy a new Vibe? No. Take whatever money you were planning on buying a new Pontiac Vibe with and put it into something cooler that is a year or two old. That'd be a way better buy IMO.
Both have the Toyota engines,
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You'll find most people who say bad things about Pontiacs have never actually owned one.
I've never owned one, but have driven enough of them in rental car situations to know to stay away. Even among domestics, they faired very poorly in terms of driving experience. To me they were always cheap feeling, had clunky and bumpy aesthetics, no ergonomics, and drove like a bathtub.
I'm all for Pontiac being killed off, it was clearly not doing anything for anyone anymore.
Saab on the other hand, now that's a pity (still some hope though!).
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