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Old 04-02-2009, 05:38 PM   #1
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Looks like an interesting film. I believe it was played at the TIFF last year. Has anyone seen it? Thoughts on the trailer?
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It looks like the documentary version of Fast Food Nation, which isn't surprising considering Eric Schlosser's involvement.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:56 PM   #3
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PETA should put an end to this!

That clip didn't really reveal much
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Amusing how it gets all creepy and conspiracy theorist at the end. Got the badass music, the evil smokestacks, the catch phrases like "multinational corporations" and "they don't want you to know" and "both animals and workers are being abused".

Seems like there's a legit point or at least a sound theory behind this film, but the whole scare factor is a major turn off. I watch something like that and wonder if they're trying to tell me facts or if I'm watching a fictional horror movie meant to scare me.
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I've been to enough farms to know that they do exist. There are also giant slaughter factories and such but the implication of the video that farms and farmers are a myth is pretty misleading.

That video was already misleading. The animals are slaughtered at giant slaughter houses, not raised there. That being said anyone who has been to a slaughter house is probably a vegetarian, it is some scary, disgusting stuff.
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Amusing how it gets all creepy and conspiracy theorist at the end. Got the badass music, the evil smokestacks, the catch phrases like "multinational corporations" and "they don't want you to know" and "both animals and workers are being abused".

Seems like there's a legit point or at least a sound theory behind this film, but the whole scare factor is a major turn off. I watch something like that and wonder if they're trying to tell me facts or if I'm watching a fictional horror movie meant to scare me.
No there's not. All this movie is about is another typical Anti-corporate fear mongering smear job of free-markets. Bottom line is this Earth doesn't sustain billions of people if we don't have industrial factories, corporate farms providing us with the economies of scale needed to ensure the breath and depth of our diet at an affordable price(and even then many people would argue its affordability). Sometimes the Lowest common denominator factor rears its ugly head(Maple Leaf foods, et al), but there's no way the entire world we can live like vegan Vancouverites only eating organics from local producers unless we offed 5 billion people.
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I would be willing to watch it. Just like most of the more well known documentaries it has to go to an extreme to make its point.

The trailer made some interesting points like about the tomato. However, it made some really dumb points like the beef not having bones anymore. So cutting off the bone is a bad thing or was it implying that we are raising boneless cows?

I think more "natural" food processing has its place but I don't think we should be surprised that our food comes from a factory.
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No there's not. All this movie is about is another typical Anti-corporate fear mongering smear job of free-markets. Bottom line is this Earth doesn't sustain billions of people if we don't have industrial factories, corporate farms providing us with the economies of scale needed to ensure the breath and depth of our diet at an affordable price(and even then many people would argue its affordability). Sometimes the Lowest common denominator factor rears its ugly head(Maple Leaf foods, et al), but there's no way the entire world we can live like vegan Vancouverites only eating organics from local producers unless we offed 5 billion people.
The problem is that the cost of food is cheaper then its ever been but at what cost? How come we could feed ourselves 50 years ago without resorting to mass produced meat?

What are the long term effects of eating the way we do these days? Having control of the food supply in the hands of a small group of companies isn't good for anyone.

The choice isn't factory food vs local organic food. There can be a happy medium between the two.
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The problem is that the cost of food is cheaper then its ever been but at what cost? How come we could feed ourselves 50 years ago without resorting to mass produced meat?
How much should food cost?

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Why not?

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Do you grow your own food? Think those oranges they sell at CFM came from Brooks?
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No there's not. All this movie is about is another typical Anti-corporate fear mongering smear job of free-markets. Bottom line is this Earth doesn't sustain billions of people if we don't have industrial factories, corporate farms providing us with the economies of scale needed to ensure the breath and depth of our diet at an affordable price(and even then many people would argue its affordability). Sometimes the Lowest common denominator factor rears its ugly head(Maple Leaf foods, et al), but there's no way the entire world we can live like vegan Vancouverites only eating organics from local producers unless we offed 5 billion people.
Easy there, Cowboy. I'm saying that there is indeed a point to the movie - that food is produced drastically different than it was in the past. Now, whether it's a reason for us to all be quivering under a blanket is a different story.
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Yep. People eat so much frickin meat it's disgusting and really makes me angry. Just don't need that much. Once a week, hell once a month. People eat meat 3 times a day at a huge health and environmental cost.

Whatever, that's my rant.
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I read this book: http://www.michaelpollan.com/indefense.php

Highly recommend it.

The basic jist:

Don't listen to the dietician, supplement, food industry on what to eat. They don't use a holistic lens of analysis and therefore you get a scattershot approach to healthy eating.

Don't eat anything your Great Grandma wouldn't recognize as food. (basically any and all processed foods)

Do eat lots of vegetables, alot of grains, and not alot of meat.

Voila, healthy eating.
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Yep. People eat so much frickin meat it's disgusting and really makes me angry. Just don't need that much. Once a week, hell once a month. People eat meat 3 times a day at a huge health and environmental cost.

Whatever, that's my rant.
I would eat meat 6 times per day if I could.

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I read this book: http://www.michaelpollan.com/indefense.php

Highly recommend it.

The basic jist:

Don't listen to the dietician, supplement, food industry on what to eat. They don't use a holistic lens of analysis and therefore you get a scattershot approach to healthy eating.

Do eat lots of vegetables, alot of grains, and not alot of meat.

Voila, healthy eating.
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Like meat you mean?
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I say you should cram as much meat down your throat as you possibly can. All day, everyday. Except for pork maybe. And nothing deep fried.
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I say you should cram as much meat down your throat as you possibly can. All day, everyday. Except for pork maybe. And nothing deep fried.
Agreed.

Pork is okay in moderation.

Meat is better than carbs. Fat can be a useful energy source, and we all need protein.
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Meat is better than carbs. Fat can be a useful energy source, and we all need protein.
Can't too much protein cause kidney problems in certain cases? And problems with calcium levels? And gout? And increased risk of cancer? And I'm sure the list goes on and on.


Everything in moderation is the key.
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Can't too much protein cause kidney problems in certain cases? And problems with calcium levels? And gout? And increased risk of cancer? And I'm sure the list goes on and on.


Everything in moderation is the key.
Yeah, and so can excess water. How many people do you know that have kidney problems from drinking too much water?

Probably none.

If you eat balanced meals 6x per day, and make sure you include meat with every meal, or some form of protein, its highly unlikely that you'll get more than 200g protein. In fact, even getting THAT much protein is hard to do.

People buy protein shakes because they don't get enough protein.

Again, protein is better than carbs, and fat is a good energy source. Meat has both fat and protein.
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