What should we do with the first overall pick? - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

flames_1987 · 02-05-2005, 01:59 PM

The Stamps due to there brutal year and the reffing in the BC game ended up with the first overall pick this year. Many ideas have come to my head when thinking about it. Of course theres the highly touted Jesse Lundsmen. The only thing is, if you draft him first overall and he goes to the NFL which there is a very good chance, you've wasted your first overall pick. So for all you CFL junkies, is there anybody else out there that could be deemed first overall material. Also, is there reasoning behind trading it for an already proven player? What kind of value does a first round pick have anyways in the CFL?

browna · 02-05-2005, 02:07 PM

Well its still 2 months away, but I'd trade Lumsden away to an Eastern team and get a couple players (at least 1 with CFL experience) back.

An eastern team will have a better chance at signing him (Hamilton, TO, OTT), just because of where he's from and where his dad played, then a Western team would.

He may try the NFL anyway, but a team (like Toronto especially being the GC champs) out there may be more willing to wait and take the risk.

calf · 02-05-2005, 02:51 PM

I dunno if Lumsden (the only guy you can take with a 1st round pick - it's like passing on Crosby) is going to even make it to the NFL. Seems like an awful long shot for a Canadian to make it as a RB or FB or whatever he'd end up as down there. I personally think Calgary's set in the backfield - we have Reynolds and Jenkins, Diebert can fill in where necessary, and Bowles is a competent FB. Why get another? I'm with browna - trade the pick for somebody with CFL experience (anybody), hopefully an impact player of sorts. I'm sure Hamilton or T.O. will be happy to take the pick.

AvengeR · 02-05-2005, 03:56 PM

I agree that they should trade him to Hamilton. The ticats would love to have a hometown kid to market the team around. Also, Greg Marshall coached and recruited Lumsden when he was with McMaster. I wonder if we could pry Rob Hitchcock from them.

Golden Jet · 02-05-2005, 04:02 PM

We need help along the offensive line. I'd pass on Lumsden & take the best offensive lineman available with the first pick. I know there's a Canadian OL at Toledo who is touted as a late 1st or high 2nd round pick in the upcoming NFL Draft, so the Stamps may want to stay away from him as historically Canadian OL that get drafted tend to stay in the NFL for a long time.

JiriHrdina · 02-05-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 5 2005, 05:02 PM
We need help along the offensive line. I'd pass on Lumsden & take the best offensive lineman available with the first pick. I know there's a Canadian OL at Toledo who is touted as a late 1st or high 2nd round pick in the upcoming NFL Draft, so the Stamps may want to stay away from him as historically Canadian OL that get drafted tend to stay in the NFL for a long time.

Agreed.

This is a chance to rebuild our Canadian talent base, something that we are in dire need of. Trade down for a later first plus another pick or picks. We look good at RB right now so it wouldn't address a need to draft this kid.

Golden Jet · 02-05-2005, 04:35 PM

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We need help along the offensive line. I'd pass on Lumsden & take the best offensive lineman available with the first pick. I know there's a Canadian OL at Toledo who is touted as a late 1st or high 2nd round pick in the upcoming NFL Draft, so the Stamps may want to stay away from him as historically Canadian OL that get drafted tend to stay in the NFL for a long time.

Agreed.

This is a chance to rebuild our Canadian talent base, something that we are in dire need of. Trade down for a later first plus another pick or picks. We look good at RB right now so it wouldn't address a need to draft this kid. [/b][/quote]
I don't believe in taking the best player available all the time. In Calgary, the "best player available" (Lumsden) would ride the pine & not help us. We have to use our first pick wisely & draft a first rounder who could (hopefully) come in & help us right away.

Cheese · 02-05-2005, 08:27 PM

Take him. He is the BEST Canadian running back to come along in years! The guy is a bull. You simply do not deal away chances at talent like this at all.

browna · 02-05-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by GerryCheevers@Feb 5 2005, 08:27 PM
Take him. He is the BEST Canadian running back to come along in years! The guy is a bull. You simply do not deal away chances at talent like this at all.

Best CIS running back sure...and he's a good running back.

But he beat Eric Lapointe's record for yards in a season in 1996. Lapointe took 6 years after that to get regular time on the Als. The other marks he set in the CIS are also of players who did very little in the CFL.

IMO, I think as good as he is, his name carry's more weight out east, and thus more value. With Calgary ok at running back, and this guy may or may not being able to duplicate CIS sucess in the CFL, I have no problem with getting somebody already proven for the pick to trade down

Golden Jet · 02-06-2005, 03:20 AM

Canadian running backs are not impact players. Canadian offensive & defensive linemen are. I say take a pass on Lumsden.

jackncoke · 02-07-2005, 07:30 AM

I say that they should take him and see how it works out from there. Don't trade him away till we see what he can do.

Golden Jet · 02-07-2005, 11:06 AM

As a team, the Stamps have to deal from a position of strength. Say the Stamps do draft Lumsden like you want them to & he comes to camp & he ends up behind Reynolds & Scott Diebert on the depth chart, how is trading him going to help us? All he'll become is another backup Canadian running back & the CFL is full of players like that. We won't get near what we all feel Lumsden is worth at this moment in a trade.
I still favour the Stamps taking a pass on Jessie & drafting the best & most available Canadian offensive lineman they can with their #1 pick overall.

octothorp · 02-08-2005, 02:32 PM

I say you take him and see what he can do. I just don't think there's anything Hamilton will offer that would make it worthwhile. A quick rundown of impact players on Hamilton:

Morreale is a solid Canadian slotback, but given his age and the fact that he's a Hamilton kid too, he's probably pretty keen to end his career there.

Amerson: not as good an aquisition as Morreale, but would improve the SB position.

Rob Hitchcock is Canadian and fits a hole in the Calgary lineup as we're lacking an experienced safety--he probably makes the most sense as a player to build a trade around.

Dave Hack--import tackle, solid and unspectacular--could be a nice addition.

Montford--getting up there in years, and I'd be suprised if Hamilton let him go again. Doesn't really improve any of Calgary's weaknesses.

DJ Flick--good player, but WR isn't nearly as big a concern for Calgary as SB.

Johnny Scott--best defensive player in Hamilton. Good player to try to get.

Are any of these guys really worth giving up a potential all-star non-import running back? Maybe if they put together a package like Hitchcock, Hack, Amerson plus FRDP for FRDP, Young, Pilon, McKnight. And even a one-sided trade like that, I'm not sure we're better off over keeping Lumsden.

If he's better than Lapointe, then he's worth taking first overall, even if it takes him a few years to get there. And keep in mind, Lapointe was playing behind Pringle, who's probably one of the top RBs in the league--otherwise, it wouldn't have taken him six years to emerge. In the CFL, you can never draft for immediate need. We may have a decent running game right now (based on the last couple games of last season, which hardly provides a good indicator), but who knows where we'll be at in two or three years, when Lumsden is ready to start.

StoneCole · 02-17-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 6 2005, 10:20 AM
Canadian running backs are not impact players. Canadian offensive & defensive linemen are. I say take a pass on Lumsden.

Canadian running backs are huge impact players: you're just confused. The only reason no one uses Canadian RB's is because they simply aren't as good as American RB's. Lineman always get picked up because they are the most abundant Canadians.

StoneCole · 02-17-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 7 2005, 06:06 PM
As a team, the Stamps have to deal from a position of strength. Say the Stamps do draft Lumsden like you want them to & he comes to camp & he ends up behind Reynolds & Scott Diebert on the depth chart, how is trading him going to help us? All he'll become is another backup Canadian running back & the CFL is full of players like that. We won't get near what we all feel Lumsden is worth at this moment in a trade.
I still favour the Stamps taking a pass on Jessie & drafting the best & most available Canadian offensive lineman they can with their #1 pick overall.

Unfortunately Canadian O-Lineman aren't a guarentee anymore either...look at Steve Morley playing for the Packers.