WSOP - Main Event - November 9

[edn88]

So the final table for the WSOP Main Event is set, and Phil Ivey (the Tiger Woods of Poker) will be at the Final Table (currently 8th or so in chips).

Now we have to wait until November to see the final table...

[getbak]

Go Ivey. He's the second short stack, so it'll be an uphill climb.

Jeff Shulman is also a known name who's there.

[moon]

Originally Posted by edn88

Phil Ivey (the Tiger Woods of Poker) will be at the Final Table (currently 8th or so in chips).

I may not have watched Poker that much over the last year or so but other than being black how is Ivey the Tiger Woods of poker?

He certainly doesn't dominate close to the level Tiger does and isn't even regarded as the top player let alone being the in the mix as a choice for best player ever.

[mustache ride]

Moon. Phil Ivey is already the greatest player ever. He crushes the highest stakes games both online and live in any style of game. He also already has 7 WSOP braclets and has destroyed the WPT. If Ivey gets even somewhat deep at this final table he will have the record for most tournament dollars won and that's assuming he doesn't have it already.

[moon]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Moon. Phil Ivey is already the greatest player ever. He crushes the highest stakes games both online and live in any style of game. He also already has 7 WSOP braclets and has destroyed the WPT. If Ivey gets even somewhat deep at this final table he will have the record for most tournament dollars won and that's assuming he doesn't have it already.

I am going to assume that this post was meant to be in green since most of your points show how he isn't the best player in the world and not close to be compared to Tiger.

[flip]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Moon. Phil Ivey is already the greatest player ever. He crushes the highest stakes games both online and live in any style of game. He also already has 7 WSOP braclets and has destroyed the WPT. If Ivey gets even somewhat deep at this final table he will have the record for most tournament dollars won and that's assuming he doesn't have it already.

hahahahahahaha.

If any "sport" totally lacks a Tiger Woods, it is Poker. Ivey is certainly good, and he may be the best poker in the world right now but he's a hell of a long way from being best ever. The money argument is BS because the $$ figures in poker touneys has skyrocketed in the last 10 years, so you're totally discounting the 40+ years of poker before that.

Until Ivey wins the WSOP in consecutive years and the $50k HORSE WSOP title in like 4 consecutive years it isn't him.

Most people don't even consider the main even to be the showcase of the best of the best because the format sucks.

[mustache ride]

What part of my post is supposed to be in green? Phil Ivey has won braclets in PLO, 7 card stud, SHOE, 7 card stud hi-lo, Omaha hi-lo,NL 2-7 draw. He has 10 million in tournament cashes.
In the toughest cash games (PLO, HU, any form of hold em) he is the biggest money winner in online tracked games and plays in the biggest mixed live games in Vegas. If Ivey is not the best player alive and arguably ever, then who is?
Doyle Brunson, the man is a hustler and con-artist. He and his partners sat in the same games with shared bankrolls and basically cheated stupid rich people out of their money.
Phil Hellmuth, Probably the best NL tournament player ever but has never been able to do anything outside of that.
I would be interested to hear anyone else that you could argue is better.

[edn88]

I meant my Tiger Woods of Poker somewhat somewhat tongue in cheek, but Ivey is considered the best poker player in the world by his peers (Helmuth excluded).

And now that the Phil Ivey of golf missed the cut at the Open, perhaps it is time to question his dominance too.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by moon

I may not have watched Poker that much over the last year or so but other than being black how is Ivey the Tiger Woods of poker?

He certainly doesn't dominate close to the level Tiger does and isn't even regarded as the top player let alone being the in the mix as a choice for best player ever.

From what I've heard, he absolutely destroys cash games, tournaments are a entirely different beast.

Originally Posted by flip

Until Ivey wins the WSOP in consecutive years and the $50k HORSE WSOP title in like 4 consecutive years it isn't him.

To be that sucessful you wouldn't have to run like god, you'd have to be god himself. Poker is both a game of luck and skill, even the greatest player playing his best game can lose to a rookie, in golf, not so much.

[albertGQ]

How are you guys getting the results so far?

[getbak]

Poker News has been doing live updates throughout the series: http://www.pokernews.com/wsop/2009/event-57/day8/

[moon]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

What part of my post is supposed to be in green?

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Moon. Phil Ivey is already the greatest player ever. He crushes the highest stakes games both online and live in any style of game.

He doesn't seem to crush the WSOP Main Event or the numerous other tournaments that I have seen him lose in. Perhaps I just miss all these mythical games he is "crushing."

He also already has 7 WSOP braclets and has destroyed the WPT.

Destroyed the WPT? He has one win and is ranked something like 13th. That is destroying the WPT? But to be fair that one win is in 76 tournaments so it isn't like he has had a ton of chances to crush the opposition.

Since when is 7 a super impressive number? There are somewhere around 5-10 guys who have more.

If Ivey gets even somewhat deep at this final table he will have the record for most tournament dollars won and that's assuming he doesn't have it already.

He is still close to a lot of guys currently playing. Tiger Woods is miles ahead of other guys on his list.

Phil Ivey may be the best player in the world right now but there is no way that he comes close to dominating the game the way that Tiger does.

[edn88]

this is an interesting article that kind of supports both points of view

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/phi...er-071809.html

You can be sure that ESPN will be using the Woods/Ivey hyperbole, and of course it is not a real comparison given the differences of the games, but that comparison is and has been made.

It really doesn't matter, cause the point is, that Ivey, one of the most recognizable players in poker, is at the final table of the WSOP main event, which is a feat all by itself (there were 6494 entrants). If you are a fan of poker this will be a must watch TV event.

[edn88]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

How are you guys getting the results so far?

www.worldseriesofpoker.com and www.bluffmagazine.com

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by moon

He doesn't seem to crush the WSOP Main Event or the numerous other tournaments that I have seen him lose in. Perhaps I just miss all these mythical games he is "crushing."



Destroyed the WPT? He has one win and is ranked something like 13th. That is destroying the WPT? But to be fair that one win is in 76 tournaments so it isn't like he has had a ton of chances to crush the opposition.

Since when is 7 a super impressive number? There are somewhere around 5-10 guys who have more.



He is still close to a lot of guys currently playing. Tiger Woods is miles ahead of other guys on his list.

Phil Ivey may be the best player in the world right now but there is no way that he comes close to dominating the game the way that Tiger does.

Ivey plays in a private poker room in the Bellagio. This is the highest level of poker. No main event winner since Moneymake would step foot in the door. The best players in the world play for millions of dollars in these private games. Ivey is the best player according anyone who plays in this game.

He is also one of the best online players in the world and most estimates have him making 10 million dollars online in the last 3 years. He plays very sporadically online and is really the only successful online player that didn't hone his skills online. Other high stakes live players who try to play online get crushed or are even money players because the game is so different. Not Ivey.

WSOP bracelets mean less to high stakes poker players since tournament results will be inconsistent due to a large luck factor. Ivey plays for such big money in these private games that he doesn't play a lot of WSOP tournaments unlike someone like Hellmuth who destroys lower stakes competition but gets crushed every time he steps into a cash game. The fact that Ivey has 7 and is only like 30 is amazing.

Definitely not the Tiger Woods of poker as that comes off a ridiculous as no one would say that if he was white.

[edn88]

So, I might be the only one here that is excited that they are now starting to air the WSOP 2009 events on TSN. Caught the $40K buy in event the other night. I would never have believed I would enjoy watching poker on TV, but there is something very captivating about the WSOP episodes.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by flip

hahahahahahaha.

If any "sport" totally lacks a Tiger Woods, it is Poker. Ivey is certainly good, and he may be the best poker in the world right now but he's a hell of a long way from being best ever. The money argument is BS because the $$ figures in poker touneys has skyrocketed in the last 10 years, so you're totally discounting the 40+ years of poker before that.

Until Ivey wins the WSOP in consecutive years and the $50k HORSE WSOP title in like 4 consecutive years it isn't him.

Most people don't even consider the main even to be the showcase of the best of the best because the format sucks.

Along the same lines, you can't use the consecutive years arguement because tournament fields were a fraction the size back in Chan and Ungar's days. The last time it was done (Chan in '88), there were 167 contestants. The time before that (Ungar '81) there were 75. Hell, when Doyle did it in '77, there were only 34 entrants. This year there were 6494.

One of the greatest poker achievements in history was Dan Harrington making back to back final tables in 2003 and 2004 against fields of 839 and 2576 respectively.

The guy has won in almost every game (HU, full table, PLO, Hold'em, stud, HORSE, and on and on and on).

You can call it a different game these days, but Phil Ivey is definitely one of, if not the, best in history.

[getbak]

FYI: TSN is now showing the November 9 final table.

The broadcast started a half hour early. It was scheduled to start at 10, but it's on now and will be running to midnight.

The winner was crowned in the middle of the night last night, and if you went to Yahoo today, you probably already know who won, but you can watch it now, if interested.

[Mike Oxlong]

I watched the whole thing last night. It was fairly entertaining. Amazing the number of bad beats. And not just coin flip bad beats but the other guy has you dominated bad beats.

Moons' A-Q over Ivey's A-K to knock him out
Cada hitting a set with 2-2 against QQ and again with 3-3 against J-J.
Someone else with K-K knocked out a guy with A-A

It was quite a ride, the emotional roller coaster for those guys must have been intense.

You have to get lucky to win this thing and Cada was REAL lucky. He's a great player don't get me wrong but he could have been gone real early.

Amazing to have 2 youngest ever Champions 2 years in a row.