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rockstar · 03-11-2009, 10:05 AM

Here

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RIO DE JANEIRO - A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, allegedly after being raped by her stepfather, underwent an abortion Wednesday despite complaints from Brazil's Roman Catholic church.

The 23-year-old stepfather has allegedly been abusing her since age six.

And further to the story:

From the Belfast Telegraph:

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Declaring that "life must always be protected", a senior Vatican cleric has defended the Catholic Church's decision to excommunicate the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim who had a life-saving abortion in Brazil.

Way to go, Vatican. Pretty appalling stuff.

MarchHare · 03-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Did the Church also excommunicate the rapist?

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No, they didn't. From the second link:

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the Church has not taken formal steps against the stepfather, who is in custody. Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, the conservative regional archbishop for Pernambuco where the girl was rushed to hospital, has said that the man would not be thrown out of the Church, because although he had allegedly committed "a heinous crime", the Church took the view that "the abortion, the elimination of an innocent life, was more serious".

That last quote has me intrigued. Does the Church excommunicate all people who take innocent lives, or do regular run-of-the-mill murderers escape that fate?

Russic · 03-11-2009, 10:22 AM

If that jackass wants to remain in the Vatican's good books he'd better start denying the holocaust quick. I can't believe people are upset that this girl is going to live.

llama64 · 03-11-2009, 10:30 AM

If there is a God, I doubt it cares what the Church thinks. Getting excommunicated is like getting shut out of a bowling league.

And yeah, the Church is acting like a bunch of ###### bags in this regard. Abortion isn't the best option, but for the love.. she's 9 years old and the victim of repeated abuse. They want to further the humiliation by forcing her to undergo full term pregnancy? Love and compassion my ass.

ok, ok,....I get it · 03-11-2009, 10:33 AM

honestly the catholic church, and in many cases the "church" in general amazes me....how can an organization designed to promote love, caring and understanding be so blind........

peter12 · 03-11-2009, 10:34 AM

This coming after the Church rescinded the ex-communication of a former cleric accused of anti-Semitism and Nazism.

Good work, Vatican.

pylon · 03-11-2009, 10:35 AM

Just another reason I am proud to call myself an atheist. Read the various message boards in and around the internet on this particular case and it is sad and embarrasing that there are brainwashees in the civilized world that are defending their brainwashers on this.

Burninator · 03-11-2009, 10:37 AM

Glad to see the Vatican is keeping their moral inconsistencies consistent.

Russic · 03-11-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by llama64

If there is a God, I doubt it cares what the Church thinks. Getting excommunicated is like getting shut out of a bowling league.

And yeah, the Church is acting like a bunch of ###### bags in this regard. Abortion isn't the best option, but for the love.. she's 9 years old and the victim of repeated abuse. They want to further the humiliation by forcing her to undergo full term pregnancy? Love and compassion my ass.

I would say that would have been the least of her worries. A nine year old carrying twins is a probable death sentence. As far as I can tell (and I'm only going off a wikipedia article here) there have only been 2 cases of a childbirth from girls younger than 9. Looks like a 10 year old gave birth to twins in the 70's.

HotHotHeat · 03-11-2009, 10:48 AM

I eagerly anticipate whoever plays the role of 'Vatican defender' in this one...

peter12 · 03-11-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I eagerly anticipate whoever plays the role of 'Vatican defender' in this one...

Even my most reactionary and Catholic friend doesn't want to touch this one.

Russic · 03-11-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I eagerly anticipate whoever plays the role of 'Vatican defender' in this one...

Ya no doubt. Maybe I should turn off my "ignore" setting for Dess just in case he decides to bring the heat.

pepper24 · 03-11-2009, 10:50 AM

So to summarize and correct me if I am reading this wrong.......a 9 year old girl that was raped and the doctor that performed the abortion are thrown out of the church but the stepfather who is suspected of raping his stepdaughter is not thrown out of the church as rape is a lesser crime to the church than abortion.

If true. Wow. Another tick to why I hate the Catholic Church.

mykalberta · 03-11-2009, 10:55 AM

The Church is simply one mouthpiece of a version of the KJB. They are not in any way the authoritative figure on things pertaining to religion as described in the KJB.

Their sinful actions in this matter are appauling considering that life officially begin after "first breath".

They need to learn when to fight the good fight, and when to decide that sometimes the ends dont lead to a changing of the means.

Thunderball · 03-11-2009, 10:56 AM

Its incomprehensible moral stands like this that has made most organized religions increasingly intolerable to the majority. Its unfortunate that this is leading to atheism, essentially a lack of spiritual belief, rather than what it really is, an utter failure of an increasingly psychotic human leadership in these groups. Yes, psychotic is the right word, if someone believes benevolent abortion is worse than rape, abuse, paedophilia and likely child-birth related death of the mother, they belong in a strait jacket.

Even in places like France, Italy, and Spain, attendance and commitment are dropping like a rock. They are increasingly losing tolerance for the church. Even for cultural observances.

In the end, the Church is going to be left as an irrelevant group of zealots and psychotics, on par with many cults they have spoken against in the past if they are not careful.

Gozer · 03-11-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

I eagerly anticipate whoever plays the role of 'Vatican defender' in this one...

Eagerly rubs hands together. I'm only debating this for lulz

The ugly act of the father (Police say he is also suspected of abusing the girl's handicapped 14-year-old sister) does not revoke the right to the life of the children.

Setting such a precedent would erode decades of effort dedicated toward saving innocent life.

MelBridgeman · 03-11-2009, 11:01 AM

what happened to forgiveness of sins!

HotHotHeat · 03-11-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

Eagerly rubs hands together. I'm only debating this for lulz

The ugly act of the father (Police say he is also suspected of abusing the girl's handicapped 14-year-old sister) does not revoke the right to the life of the children.

Setting such a precedent would erode decades of effort dedicated toward saving innocent life.

God forbid a precedent protecting 9 year old rape victims was set. Precedents come with preconditions. Even if you are pro-life, you can be so while using logic on a case by case basis.

does not revoke the right to the life of the children.

This.

The girl in question is 9 years old. If there is a chance that she dies while giving birth to these twins, are we not taking life away from a child?

STeeLy · 03-11-2009, 11:05 AM

Sometimes, because of things like this, I begin to question my Catholic faith. Yeah, I still think abortion should be a crime in the books of the Catholic Church since life (or in this case, lives) is brought to an end. The girl is excommunicated from the Church, I understand that view point. However, the stepfather who raped his stepdaughter isn't?! I think he should be gone first before his stepdaughter... seriously... and I'll say... Goddamn! sometimes, the Church is messed up and has no common sense.

Edit: It is not easy to shake my faith, but this really does.

REDVAN · 03-11-2009, 11:05 AM