More Police violence in Vancouver

[longsuffering]

I don't know how the victim can be blamed in this instance.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ne...390/story.html

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...ritishColumbia

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Van...378/story.html

Is Vancouver ready to Welcome the World in 2010?

[troutman]

“I was asking for someone to help me, I was saying, I’m just a newspaper delivery man,’ ” said Khan. “I didn’t know why they were beating me. They told me they were the police. They kept on saying, ‘We don’t like brown people, buddy.’

[metallicat]

Why would they identify themselves as police officers? Seems a little stupid. We'll see how this plays out.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by fotze

Sorry,but I'm a little "old school" but didn't our forefathers kill the terrorists in World War II so that we could have the right to not like brown people. Sorry I'm not part of the "politically correct" crowd, but if these "Canadians" don't like our rules why don't they go back to their own countries?

If you are being serious with this post...

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Why would they identify themselves as police officers? Seems a little stupid. We'll see how this plays out.

It sounds like the 3 police departments they work for have acknowledged them as their own. One has even been identified by name and rank. There's not much ambiguity in that.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by fotze

Sorry,but I'm a little "old school" but didn't our forefathers kill the terrorists in World War II so that we could have the right to not like brown people. Sorry I'm not part of the "politically correct" crowd, but if these "Canadians" don't like our rules why don't they go back to their own countries?

I like your sense of humour, but sometimes the timing is a little off.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I don't know how the victim can be blamed in this instance.

Yeah right. Have you seen some of the blind, militant statements made by the "cops are always right" crowd here? I swear a cop could devour a kitten with a side of baby blood, in the middle of Chinook Centre, with 300 witnesses, and that crowd would still blame the kitten somehow.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah right. Have you seen some of the blind, militant statements made by the "cops are always right" crowd here? I swear a cop could devour a kitten with a side of baby blood, in the middle of Chinook Centre, with 300 witnesses, and that crowd would still blame the kitten somehow.

To be fair, a lot of young cats are into drug dealing and gang violence. It sucks that it has to be this way, but sometimes the profile just fits. Lots of kittens are just psychopaths in the making.

I say, eat them while you can, before they can hurt anyone.

[moon]

Is it really more "police violence" or is it more along the lines of 3 morons violence?

Coming into the thread and reading the first post I assumed that it was 3 on duty officers beating a guy.

If these guys were bus drivers would the title say more Bus driver violence?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by moon

Is it really more "police violence" or is it more along the lines of 3 morons violence?

Coming into the thread and reading the first post I assumed that it was 3 on duty officers beating a guy.

If these guys were bus drivers would the title say more Bus driver violence?

Forgot to add that to my post. I think their profession is irrelevant here.

[Daradon]

Wow, that's incredible.

I don't even understand how something like that would happen.

And what was that part about the hotels security footage being taken? Were the officers departments trying to help the officers out?

[MelBridgeman]

This is impossible, cops in vancouver are only capable of operating speed traps!

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Forgot to add that to my post. I think their profession is irrelevant here.

I'm not sure it is.

Their profession is to prevent the type of activity they just engaged in.

If a banker were to rob a bank I thing you would hear that in the headline.

I agree that it is just 3 morons that did this, but the fact that there were 3 morons on the police force does not generate much confidence.

It is like the police officer here in Calgary who was busted for impaired driving, and it was at least his second charge.

I'm not sure the police force is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" type of professions.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by moon

Is it really more "police violence" or is it more along the lines of 3 morons violence?

Coming into the thread and reading the first post I assumed that it was 3 on duty officers beating a guy.

If these guys were bus drivers would the title say more Bus driver violence?

Bus drivers arent supposed to protect the well being of the public though. There's no way this doesn't qualify as police violence. Once they go back on duty we can trust these guys to be good officers of the law?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I'm not sure it is.

Their profession is to prevent the type of activity they just engaged in.

If a banker were to rob a bank I thing you would hear that in the headline.

I agree that it is just 3 morons that did this, but the fact that there were 3 morons on the police force does not generate much confidence.

It is like the police officer here in Calgary who was busted for impaired driving, and it was at least his second charge.

I'm not sure the police force is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" type of professions.

This is true.

Also important is the context in which this happened. Police forces in BC do not receive the same degree of public support as they do in Alberta. The attitude in this province is significantly different. Incidents involving police officer misconduct just create more problems for the vast majority of police officers doing an honest job in often very difficult circumstances.

[henriksedin33]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

This is true.

Also important is the context in which this happened. Police forces in BC do not receive the same degree of public support as they do in Alberta. The attitude in this province is significantly different. Incidents involving police officer misconduct just create more problems for the vast majority of police officers doing an honest job in often very difficult circumstances.

I agree 100% with your final sentence, but they're often not helping the matter by operating under a curtain of secrecy. I'm referring somewhat to the incident in Victoria where the police chief was put on paid leave for 6+ months while the public was held in the dark about why we were paying this guy to sit at home. There have also been other examples of "off-duty" incidents, where it always seems like the information gets released to the public MUCH slower and in much less detail than it would have if the perpetrator had been an average civilian, rather than an off-duty cop, and that creates suspicion.

Wonder if the seized YVR taser video would have ever seen the light of day if the guy who shot it hadn't gone to the media...?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...r.html?ref=rss

[Vulcan]

The cops in the Vancouver area have a long standing reputation for corruption. This is just another example.

[ikaris]

But... but.. police officers never can do wrong??!?!

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by henriksedin33

I agree 100% with your final sentence, but they're often not helping the matter by operating under a curtain of secrecy. I'm referring somewhat to the incident in Victoria where the police chief was put on paid leave for 6+ months while the public was held in the dark about why we were paying this guy to sit at home. There have also been other examples of "off-duty" incidents, where it always seems like the information gets released to the public MUCH slower and in much less detail than it would have if the perpetrator had been an average civilian, rather than an off-duty cop, and that creates suspicion.

Wonder if the seized YVR taser video would have ever seen the light of day if the guy who shot it hadn't gone to the media...?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...r.html?ref=rss

I can't really comment about whether or not the public perception in Vancouver is justified. I only intended to make the point that it exists, and news like this is probably more damaging in Vancouver than it would be Calgary, for example.

As for the secrecy, often there are good reasons for it - as there are with respect to every investigation. In every case? Again, I can't say. But in many cases: absolutely. Something which is true of all investigations, not just investigations of police conduct.

[Bill Bumface]

Well, if there is a silver lining, hopefully the guy that delivers news papers to support his wife, kids, and recovering aunt will get a huge payday out of a civil suit and have less to worry about on the financial front after this. He deserves every penny he gets.