what does this say?

[flame3132]

in this text....

There are many evil writings put forth of late which take occasion, on account of the assembling of the peasants, to cast scorn upon the Gospel, saying: “Is this the fruit of the new teaching, that no one should obey but all should everywhere rise in revolt, and rush together to reform, or perhaps destroy entirely, the authorities, both ecclesiastical and lay?” The articles below (Note: there is an article below this) shall answer these godless and criminal fault-finders, and serve, in the first place, to remove the reproach from the word of God and, in the second place, to give a Christian excuse for the disobedience or even the revolt of the entire Peasantry.



I've read order ones and I understand them(sort of), but this one is driving my nuts.


What are the main points the person is trying to deliver? Like what is his message? Thx for the help.

[jammies]

I pretty sure it means drop some tabs and listen to old Pink Floyd records.

[flame3132]

Originally Posted by jammies

I pretty sure it means drop some tabs and listen to old Pink Floyd records.

o thanks your very helpful.

[RougeUnderoos]

What's an "order one"?

The paragraph doesn't make sense. Or maybe it makes sense to someone who knows a secret code.

Where did this come from?

And if it's driving your nuts, step away.

[flamingpole]

although i do not believe what they are trying to say or agree with it in any way here is my go at it my person feeling is that this is trying to state some sort on anarchism towards the bible. i think it is implying that christians are not happy with the current status of their religion and that they would rebel against it in order to start some sort of new begginings in which they are not burdened by having to follow the bible. i dunno just the feelign that i am getting from what it is trying to say sorry if not helpful

[flame3132]

Originally Posted by flamingpole

although i do not believe what they are trying to say or agree with it in any way here is my go at it my person feeling is that this is trying to state some sort on anarchism towards the bible. i think it is implying that christians are not happy with the current status of their religion and that they would rebel against it in order to start some sort of new begginings in which they are not burdened by having to follow the bible. i dunno just the feelign that i am getting from what it is trying to say sorry if not helpful

That was pretty good

shall answer these godless and criminal fault-finders, and serve, in the first place, to remove the reproach from the word of God and, in the second place, to give a Christian excuse for the disobedience or even the revolt of the entire Peasantry.

There seems to be some sort of refusal to comply among the peasants maybe on the nobility.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by flame3132

o thanks your very helpful.

Well...

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The paragraph doesn't make sense.

Yes, it looks to be written by someone under the influence of drugs. So, to understand it, you need to be on drugs. Which is what I was getting at.

[Bagor]

I see peasants. Loads of peasants .........

with big pitchforks. Big humongous pitchforks!

[blankall]

I think you have to put this in context.

It's written by an authority from the Christian church. Its basically an introduction to articles that are contrary to a movement among the peasant against the church.

At least that's what I get from it.

[Rhetts_the_Best]

It sounds christian, and very anti marxist
[/quote]"on account of the assembling of the peasants, to cast scorn upon the Gospel"


maybe its just me!

The speaker seems for christianity, and against the revolt for non religous belivers

[Hack&Lube]

Modern Day Translation: "Lately Bruce Dohbiggin has been writing all this crap about the Flames. He's saying all this bull about how the new coaching with Keenan and everything is just making them lose a lot and they have forgotten all their old good habits and the whole organization is going to s***. Well dohbiggin is a bigot and ######bag. The new coaching strategy is the right thing for the Flames and I'm going to give you an answer from the hockey bible to excuse the Flames performance of late. They're actually doing the right thing. They just have to keep putting pucks on net and playing hard and getting rebounds".

[i'm serious]

[Hack&Lube]

Okay, now for the meat of it... everything so far in this thread is way off and people seem to be reading it completely opposite from what it actually is.

Actually, it's totally marxist. It's Engels. And you guys all have it all wrong (except for the drugs maybe), it's not an authority from the church and he is not defending Christianity. It has nothing to do with Christianity but with the peasant's struggle and trying to separate it from religious arguments yet prop itself up with one as any philosophical arguments in the day needed religious backing lest they appear heretical.

This is from Engel's book: "The Peasant War in Germany" and the above passage is relating to that event in the 16th century. You have to understand the context was during the reformation, Martin Luthor and the appearance of Protestanism, etc. and the anarchy, bloody violence, chaos, and class struggle that appeared soon afterward.

The paragraph is just an introduction to the arguments that should be below it. Basically the author is saying that at the time, many writings were cropping up, blaming the "new teaching" (protestanism) for the peasant's rebellion, ie: blaming protestanism was causing rebellion and sin and for people to revolt against, and destroy all the traditional and orderly things (political [class] and religious [eccesiastical] establishment). The writer is saying that these writings are totally wrong and they are muddling religion into the mix when it has no place in the peasant's struggle. He's trying to separate the religious blame from what is going on and yet maintain that the peasant's revolt is righteous in of itself and then his arguments come in the articles that should be below that paragraph you pasted. The key is where he says he'll try to give an excuse for the disobedience of the peasantry. He's basically saying that he's explaining why the peasants were right to revolt and that they are theologically on the right side.

The context is that this is all in Engel's book and it's an allusion between the Peasant's War in 16th century Germany to the class struggle that would end up in marxism/communism.

You know how it is arguing in a religious atmosphere. The establishment was all like: "look at what this heretical protestanism is doing, it's causing anarchy and violence. God is on our side!" and the writer is like: "stop bringing religion into it you slanderers! God is on our side!". The establishment is condeming the peasants for assembling and organizing themselves and saying that it has done no good, only seeking to destroy all the old things. The writer is saying that the peasants have every (Christian) right. You can see where this leads to marxism quite easily. Workers of the world unite, etc. etc. etc.