Linoleum, easy to install? Or other suggestion for kitchen?

[photon]

How easy is it to install lino? The existing stuff is in pretty decent shape so with a little cleanup and filling I think I can go right overtop.

How easy is it to do? The quote I got is kinda high, don't really have the cash to pay them to do it.

Or are there other suggestions for a kitchen? They have those big sticky tiles which seem easy to install but how long do those really last?

[Vulcan]

How about a laminate floor.

[ricosuave]

^ i was going to say that!! LOL

dont go the sticky lino tile look, bad, very bad!

lino isnt hard, but is just a dated look IMHO

laminate is relatively easy, lots of colors, etc.

if you are really adventurous, what about ceramic tile?

[HockeyPuck]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

^ i was going to say that!! LOL

dont go the sticky lino tile look, bad, very bad!

lino isnt hard, but is just a dated look IMHO

laminate is relatively easy, lots of colors, etc.

if you are really adventurous, what about ceramic tile?

I put in laminate floor, that looks like ceramic tile... I think it looks great. Bought it from my friend over at Jordan's Rugs close to Chinook Centre.

Real nice stuff, real easy to install...

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Ever thought of shag carpet?
Don't laugh, I know of at least one cabin that actually has shag carpet in the kitchen.

Okay, I'm done being useless to this thread.

[Bagor]

In case you do decide to remove the existing lino it's worth remembering that older linoleum contains asbestos.

Laminate seems like your best bet. I'd avoid the tiles.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

lino isnt hard, but is just a dated look IMHO

My wife and I replaced pretty much our entire upstairs with lino. I did the rip out and my step-daughter's boyfriend, a professional installer, put in the linoleum.

When my wife first revealed to me she wished to have our carpets replaced with lino, I blanched. Visions of square patterns and flowers danced in my head.

We went top-end with the flooring, and we're thrilled. They can do amazing stuff with lino. It looks fantastic.

[kermitology]

Possessions never meant anything to me, I'm not crazy. Well that's not true I've got a bed, and a guitar, and a dog named Dog who pisses on my floor. That's right I've got a floor, so what, so what, so what? I've got, pockets full of: kleenex and lint and holes, where everything important to me just seems to fall right down my leg. And onto the floor. My closest friend, linoleum. LINOLEUM!

[Nancy]

Laminate is not advisable in a kitchen, nor is hardwood for that matter.

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Laminate is not advisable in a kitchen, nor is hardwood for that matter.

why not? my grandparents had it in their kitchen and it was fine, and they didnt glue it. just have to make sure you pick up spills right away

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

why not? my grandparents had it in their kitchen and it was fine, and they didnt glue it. just have to make sure you pick up spills right away

You get a plumbing leak and odds are you won't know about it until it is too late. I know, I speak from painful first hand experience in my last house. There was nothing to wipe up, the water had gone directly under the cabinets and directly under the flooring. Didn't know there was a problem until the flooring started cupping.

[Ice]

You can get porcelain tile very inexpensively that looks like stone. For me, I've found dealing with porcelain and stone is way easier than installing almost anything else. As long as you're not attepting an ornate design with tile, its very straightforward and simple. I'm pretty sure you can put the tiles right on your existing linoleum, that way to don't have to deal with the expense of paying someone to remove the asbestos, which I believe is actually in the adhesive, not the linoleum itself, so its completely safe if not disturbed.

I've been told hardwood is eas to install. I've never tried it myself though, that seemed better left to professionals.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Ice

You can get porcelain tile very inexpensively that looks like stone. For me, I've found dealing with porcelain and stone is way easier than installing almost anything else. As long as you're not attepting an ornate design with tile, its very straightforward and simple. I'm pretty sure you can put the tiles right on your existing linoleum, that way to don't have to deal with the expense of paying someone to remove the asbestos, which I believe is actually in the adhesive, not the linoleum itself, so its completely safe if not disturbed.

I've been told hardwood is eas to install. I've never tried it myself though, that seemed better left to professionals.

The only problem with that would be that you'd have to remove the dishwasher. Tiling right up to the dishwasher would mean if you had a disaster in the future you've no way of getting it out. Personally I wouldn't tile on top of lino.

The asbestos is in the tile itself but I think it's something like pre 1985 lino.

http://www.environmentalhazards.com/asbestos/index.htm

[Caged Great]

How much square footage does your kitchen take up?

It might be cost neutral to put in tile verse lino, and if you plan on selling your house in the near future, Tile is definitely a better selling point than Lino.

I've installed both, and tile does take a little more time to install, but it's not overly difficult.

[onetwo_threefour]

Best stuff I would recommend is vinyl plank flooring. It is made to look like hardwood, you can lay it on top of existing flooring and it's spill proof. It's also relatively inexpensive. A little more than lino, but less than hardwood or laminate. It actually looks really good. We did our whole basement, including the laundry room with it. We've had it for about 18 months and it still looks great. A lot of people confuse it for hardwood or laminate. We have two dogs and a cat and it holds up to a ton of traffic really well.

It is really easy to install, as you can cut it with a utility knife, and the waste didn't seem to be too high. I'm not sure whether it would look quite as good in a brightly lit room as ours in in the basement, but I've thought it looked really nice in every application I've seen..

Here's a pros and cons article.. . not much in the way of cons really...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._of_vinyl.html

We bought the trafficmaster brand sold at Home Depot in a style called American Walnut... Here's some of the patterns available at Home Depot US. (I think a few less are available here)

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...key=THDSiteMap


It took me a couple of weekends to do about 500 sq. ft. but there was lots of fiddly bits cutting weird angles around doors, toilets, sinks, furnaces, etc. I figure I could have done a kitchen in an afternoon. I consider myself to be moderately skilled at home improvement type stuff.


Just to add... we had a sewer backup in the basement this year. One of the beautiful things about the kind we got is that it's technically a floating floor, you don't have to stick it down, the planks sitck to each other on an overlap, but the bottoms are not stuck to the floor. As such, if you have water get under it, you can lift up and clean under the flooring. It was pretty nice to be able to do that without damaging the integrity of the flooring

Good luck with whatever you choose.

[photon]

Thanks for all the feedback guys.. yeah tile would be better, but I'm not positive about the subfloor until I pull stuff up, plus the time involved would be a lot more.

Could I put tile over the existing lino?

Interesting about asbestos I never thought about that, would that be an issue if I was putting new stuff over the old stuff? How would I be able to tell for sure if there was asbestos?

This is for a rental place BTW, otherwise I might consider laminate, but I don't trust a tenant with it in the kitchen.

That vinyl flooring looks really interesting, I'll have to check it out!

[SportsJunky]

[quote=photon;1400444]Thanks for all the feedback guys.. yeah tile would be better, but I'm not positive about the subfloor until I pull stuff up, plus the time involved would be a lot more.

Could I put tile over the existing lino? Yes
Interesting about asbestos I never thought about that, would that be an issue if I was putting new stuff over the old stuff? No it's done all the time.
How would I be able to tell for sure if there was asbestos? Usually any sheet vinyl from the early 80's and earlier may contain asbestos. It is not a factor if the sheet goods are staying down and you are going over top with someting else.

This is for a rental place BTW, otherwise I might consider laminate, but I don't trust a tenant with it in the kitchen. Good idea imo.

That vinyl flooring looks really interesting, I'll have to check it out! Vinyl plank flooring is a great option and can look quite realistic. I've always installed it as a glue down application though so I'm not familiar with the type a previous poster mentioned from Home Depot that is glueless.[/quote]

Good luck.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Possessions never meant anything to me, I'm not crazy. Well that's not true I've got a bed, and a guitar, and a dog named Dog who pisses on my floor. That's right I've got a floor, so what, so what, so what? I've got, pockets full of: kleenex and lint and holes, where everything important to me just seems to fall right down my leg. And onto the floor. My closest friend, linoleum. LINOLEUM!

great tune!

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by photon

Could I put tile over the existing lino?

I wouldn't as you're probably looking at the tiles cracking in the future, also not sure how good a bond you'd get. I'm guessing there's probably a bit of bounce in the floor. You're saving time and money now but looking at potential future problems.

Originally Posted by photon

would that be an issue if I was putting new stuff over the old stuff? How would I be able to tell for sure if there was asbestos?

I "think" it's pre 1985 or something like that. No issues if you're just laying on top of it. I think it's when you pull it up or cut it up that the fibres are released from the back of the lino.

I'm in the middle of my bathroom reno and just pulled board and all up.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Ice

You can get porcelain tile very inexpensively that looks like stone. For me, I've found dealing with porcelain and stone is way easier than installing almost anything else. As long as you're not attepting an ornate design with tile, its very straightforward and simple. I'm pretty sure you can put the tiles right on your existing linoleum, that way to don't have to deal with the expense of paying someone to remove the asbestos, which I believe is actually in the adhesive, not the linoleum itself, so its completely safe if not disturbed.

I've been told hardwood is eas to install. I've never tried it myself though, that seemed better left to professionals.

Never heard of putting tile over lino - always on a plywood sub base and it has to be a certain thickness and your joists etc under that have to be close enough together to support the weight of the tile.

We did a major reno a year ago, had lino that was 20 years old. Our demolition guy was not afraid of removing that whatsoever, he said you have to go older than that to have asbestos, and he said, it was in the type of lino that used to have backing (which ours never had), not in the glue. Anyhow, we had a piece of lino left over, he looked at it, no problem he said.