Lets get rid of the UN

[jolinar of malkshor]

China and Russia have stymied a U.S.-led effort to impose sanctions on Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe and members of his government.
The two countries vetoed proposed sanctions during a vote by the 15-nation UN Security Council, effectively killing the resolution despite the fact that there were nine votes in favour, the minimum needed to gain approval if not for the vetoes.

The United States, Britain and France — the only other countries with veto power — had argued sanctions were necessary to punish state-sanctioned violence following Zimbabwe's elections in March and in the lead-up to its run-off election last month.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...bwe-talks.html

Why do we even have the UN anymore? This situation in Zim has the potential to turn into a all out civil war or atrocities seen in Rwanda. This is absolutly pathetic.

[Azure]

Needs to be reformed. Not abolished.

A committee to talk about certain issues, and make important decisions should always exist.

[Jayems]

And yet the US stymies any UN resolutions pertaining to Israel.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Jayems

And yet the US stymies any UN resolutions pertaining to Israel.

You are comparing Israel and Zim on this issue?

Never the less, the veto has to go if the UN wants be legitimate. Also countries like Iran cannot sit on the Human rights post.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Needs to be reformed. Not abolished.

A committee to talk about certain issues, and make important decisions should always exist.

Ya, in theory. But how can it be reformed if they can't even agree on such an obvious issue?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ya, in theory. But how can it be reformed if they can't even agree on such an obvious issue?

I really don't know. But like you said, the veto has to go.

The US, France, Germany and any other country that agrees with them should just place the sanctions without asking what China and Russia have to say.

[Shazam]

It should be replaced by the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You are comparing Israel and Zim on this issue?

Never the less, the veto has to go if the UN wants be legitimate. Also countries like Iran cannot sit on the Human rights post.

No, just commenting that the US has had it's fair share of vetoing. While usually involving Israel resolutions or vetoing resolutions condemning their own country (see the 1989 invasion of Panama), the US is no stranger to vetoing.

I really don't know enough about what's going on in Zimbabwe to comment, but do know the US is more than willing to veto other resolutions proposed by the UN to suit their needs.

While the situations are different, my point is the US aren't really in a position to complain about other countries uses of their veto power when they flagrantly use theirs to their advantage.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Shazam

It should be replaced by the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

Well played sir. Well played.

[HotHotHeat]

Let's get rid of state level governing bodies too while were at it.

...Seriously...

I'm not sure the UN is really relevant anymore. The WTO (read: US ruled organization) takes care of trade issues and the environmental concerns fall under international protocols. The UN basically is a body of politicians with very little power brought together to debate issues they'll never agree on....Sounds familiar to something a bit closer to home...

BUT it does help the US to justify much of the unfair acts they commit...So it won't be going anywhere.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Shazam

It should be replaced by the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Shazam

It should be replaced by the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

I vote for Alec Baldwin for the role of chairman.

I mean who better then the head of the Film Actors Guild to protect the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

Of course we must be aware of the Asiatic economy so I think we need to form the Pacific Rim Industrial Council.

[Calgaryborn]

The UN should be gone. They are a huge money pit. They also give credibility and voice to some of the worst dictatorships in the world.

[CaptainCrunch]

While Russia and China claim that establishing embargoes against Zimbabwea is outside of the UN Security councils mandate, the cold fact is that the Russians and Chinese make cold currency by selling them weapons.

I agree, I don't see the use of the UN, its rapidly falling into the same trap as the league of nations where it doesn't have the strength or will to live up to its mandate. I'm not sure if reforming it is the answer as the corruption is way to deep.

I've always said if your going to have a world peacekeeping organization that it should have its own standing army, it needs to be heavily armed to not only protect the peace but to enforce the peace and have the ability to destroy aggressors.

Some of the slaughters that the UN has stood by and watched because they didn't have the equipment or the mandate wouldn't have happened if you enforced the peace from a position of strength and with the help of a couple of battalions of main battle tanks and a regiment of motorized infantry.

[habernac]

United Abominations
Music and Lyrics Dave Mustaine

Less than five miles from Ground Zero sits an International hotbed, the United "Abominations" as it were. Created to prevent wars and promote peace, it failed to address the most dangerous threats facing the world.
In a mire of hypocrisy, bribes, kickbacks, and corruption, the UN enables terrorism, and ignores sex crimes by its peacekeepers. The UN is where our so-called allies undermine us, and we pay 22% of their tab to host our enemies here at home.
Ambassadors from dirt-poor countries enjoy luxurious, tax-free Manhattan lifestyles, turning children into sex-slaves and enjoy Diplomatic immunity. It's a complete and utter disgrace, a blot on the face of humanity, and they get away with it.
Poverty in their kitchens
Held hostage by oil-for-food
Yet their own plates are full off the fat of their lands
There's no blood on their hands, right Kojo?
They promised to tell the truth
Without leaving a fingerprint, but
They will lose the UN one way or another
The victim, I fear will be us, sisters and brothers
The UN is right; you can't be any more "un"
Than you are right now, the UN is undone
Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun
The threat is real, the Locust King has come
Don’t tell me the truth; I don't like what they've done
Just give me ammo for the United Abominations
A grave and gathering danger
The decision to attack
Based on secret intelligence it'll take years
I fear to undo the failings in Iraq
You may bury the bodies
But you can't bury the crimes only
Fools stand up and really lay down their arms
No, not me, not when Death lasts forever
The UN is right; you can't be any more "un"
Than you are right now, the UN is undone
Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun
The threat is real, the Locust King has come
Don’t tell me the truth; I don't like what they've done
Just give me ammo for the United Abominations
"The UN writes resolution after resolution and has become irrelevant through inaction and totalitarian paralysis,"
"Order, Order!!!"
"Ha! There is no such thing as order"
"Larry, it's true, reports confirm today that the United Nations has officially closed its doors forever,"
"Well, I just don't see what all the fuss is, because they don't do anything anyway, do they?"
The UN is right; you can't be any more "un"
Than you are right now, the UN is undone
Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun
The threat is real, the Locust King has come
Don’t tell me the truth; I don't like what they've done
Just give me ammo for the United Abominations
NATO invaded Yugoslavia to end ethnic cleansing, there was no UN
The US invaded Afghanistan after 9/11, there was no UN
Saddam Hussein violated 17 UN resolutions; The UN was asked to join the war in Iraq. The US invaded, Ha! there was no UN
Libya bombed a discotheque in Berlin killing Americans, there was no UN
Iran funds any terrorist organization it can, and attacked the US in the seventies, there was no stinking UN
Facing War without end, looking into the future, there was no more UN

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I vote for Alec Baldwin for the role of chairman.

I mean who better then the head of the Film Actors Guild to protect the Coliation of United National Treaty States.

Of course we must be aware of the Asiatic economy so I think we need to form the Pacific Rim Industrial Council.

They are already in the Asian Nations United Society. It would be tough to get them out of there. But if they did, I think they would find it to be a most pleasing alliance.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The UN should be gone. They are a huge money pit. They also give credibility and voice to some of the worst dictatorships in the world.

The UN is actually pretty cheap to operate. What numbers are you looking at?

[Weiser Wonder]

It is very important to maintain the UN as a place of diplomacy and a place for nations to discuss matters. Discussion is important no matter if the nations come to any sort of agreement because conversations between nations lead to more understanding and a lack of understanding is one of the major causes of conflict in the world.

[Superfraggle]

I think the UN does a lot of excellent things, and is an important institution. Unfortunately, it does not and will not have the power to do everything people think it should. The vetos are crummy, but necessary; countries will simply choose to leave the UN if they can't get their way, and it will follow the League of Nations into history textbooks. They do what they can within some severe limitations, which will never be enough to satisfy everyone.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

It is very important to maintain the UN as a place of diplomacy and a place for nations to discuss matters. Discussion is important no matter if the nations come to any sort of agreement because conversations between nations lead to more understanding and a lack of understanding is one of the major causes of conflict in the world.

Diplomacy doesn't work, at best it delays the inevitable.

I can't think of an instance where talk stopped a war between two countries who are determined to fight.