American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[PepsiFree]

Strap in, kids.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Orangeyou Glad He's Back?

[PepsiFree]

[Fuzz]

When's the next life annihilating asteroid coming, again? Soonish?

[GirlySports]

I'll start with a debrief, please discuss.

The Democrats have generally presented themselves as the party of common interest (equal rights for all, pay a fair share of taxes, etc.).

The Republicans have been a party of self interest (right to defend yourself, don't take my money for taxes, what's mine is mine, etc.)

As our society has become both more diverse and more individualized/less interactive, people are voting less with a mindset of common interest. More now than ever, it's easier to move and work wherever you want. You can surround yourself with people like you. Your online experience, your music experience, your shopping experience, your entertainment experience, these are all becoming increasingly curated and individualized.

When you are trying to get everyone to agree on things, and the country is more diverse and divided and self-centered than ever, that's a lot harder than telling people to vote for themselves.

And even though many people voted for Trump when it is NOT in their self-interest, he convinced them that it is.

Dems try to sell a common good agenda. People don't believe them. Nor do they believe the Democrats can make it happen even if they do believe them.

I never really heard the case FOR Harris. She was just a fresh coat of paint on an old, sputtering car.

The Democrats run on this promise and then don't deliver when in power. Its probably that simple. We can do the "but what about the things they're good on" all day but if you have a lower income person who doesn't care about trans rights or Ukraine or whatever, then what?

If their lives aren't any better under Democrats, what's the persuasive argument for them to pick you? Its as easy as looking back at union Democrats; a bucket load of these people are spiritually and socially no different than Trump's base but they know which side protected their livelihoods. Take that approach to entirety of people making under $___ per year and watch how money and personal interests can sway people. You don't need full ideological consistency, you just need a coalition that accepts and supports enough of the larger plan.

But Democrats remain terrified of attaching themselves fully to popular policies (medicare for all) or actually fighting for ones they embrace (minimum wage) because a fight risks losing the centrist-leaning-right voter and that's who matters most to them. They celebrated an endorsement from Dick Cheney while running from immigration because, again, humanizing undocumented workers, explicitly pointing out their contributions and laying out what their absence would mean scares some of those people whose votes mean the most to the party.

So what are you? As Pepsifree puts it, what is your 'soul'?

[You Need a Thneed]

Given how much his cognition has declined, how long can the republican party hold up before they have to pull Trump away?

There's no way that Trump's brain is going to last 4 years.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Given how much his cognition has declined, how long can the republican party hold up before they have to pull Trump away?

There's no way that Trump's brain is going to last 4 years.

His brain has been gone for a long time and that doesn't seem to have mattered so...

[La Flames Fan]

I'm more worried this time around he has nothing to lose and nobody to be the voice of reason. This is going to be a shartshow.

[FarSide]

Yoho's laughing at all of you.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I'm more worried this time around he has nothing to lose and nobody to be the voice of reason. This is going to be a shartshow.

He's already basically declared he's going to use this term to get revenge. And he basically now has the full American democracy machine behind him to do it.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Given how much his cognition has declined, how long can the republican party hold up before they have to pull Trump away?

There's no way that Trump's brain is going to last 4 years.

They will just put him into hiding like the Democratic party did with Biden.

"Here Grandpa, enjoy this box of crayons and stack of paper and stay in your office, thanks."

[ResAlien]

That seems to have gone poorly. Slapped around up and down the ballot across all races. Probably progressives fault, dems should keep moving further right that’s the solution.

[undercoverbrother]

Part of me loves a train wreck, and this will be a train wreck.

The other part of me is concerned.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

That seems to have gone poorly. Slapped around up and down the ballot across all races. Probably progressives fault, dems should keep moving further right that’s the solution.

Ha - it's like they believe Trump. "Are we radical far-left Commies? Perhaps we are! Better trot out the Cheneys!"

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

That seems to have gone poorly. Slapped around up and down the ballot across all races. Probably progressives fault, dems should keep moving further right that’s the solution.

Well… moving more left sure isn’t…

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

That seems to have gone poorly. Slapped around up and down the ballot across all races. Probably progressives fault, dems should keep moving further right that’s the solution.

The Parallels between the democratic party and the Canadian conservative party are palpable.

The Dems constantly run on a campaign that their opposition is evil and incompetent.

The CPC constantly run on a campaign that their opposition is evil and incompetent.

The Dems run book licking stiffs in suits

The CPC run book licking stiffs in suits

The Dems can't figure out why more than half of the county loves their oppositions leader despite his obvious flaws

The CPC can't figure out why more than half of the county loves their oppositions leader despite his obvious flaws

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well… moving more left sure isn’t…

Depends what you mean. Healthcare, education, workers rights, reproductive rights? Lots of room on the left.

[Firebot]

We welcome our Cheetos overlord bestowed upon us because Democrats just couldn't get their heads out of their ass yet again.



Whenever you open this thread you will see Hulk Hogan, a reminder. I didn't want this outcome, but Democrats got to Democrat.

The unthinkable happened, because Democrats chose they didn't need to think to win an election and be palatable. Threat against democracy being the main issue?

Tell that to someone in Erie, Pennsylvania, areas in swings states with a median household income of 43,135 USD that Biden won in 2020 that was crucial for Harris but chose to ignore in 2024 and went for Trump.

[EldrickOnIce]

Hey stupid, it wasn't just the economy. It was inflation

the voters who identified the economy as their primary concern voted overwhelmingly for Trump over Harris - 79% to 20%.

More than half of voters said inflation had caused them a moderate hardship in the last year, while nearly one in four said it had caused a severe hardship. Those saying it had caused a moderate difficulty leaned somewhat more to Trump, 50% to 47%, but 73% of those calling it a severe hardship voted for the former president.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/h...on-2024-11-06/

[ResAlien]

Man we got four of these threads running at the same time now? A lawless wasteland of devastated takes. Anyone want to roll all these sad trombone noise threads up into one?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well… moving more left sure isn’t…

They've moved right almost every election after 2008. Since Obama's second term, they've been bleeding support from their traditional base

Leftist policies (e.g. legalizing marijuana, minimum wage hikes, etc.) have all outperformed the Democrats themselves in the last 4ish elections (I'm including midterms).

This would seem to suggest that leftist policies are more popular than the Democrats themselves. Maybe adopting and promoting these policies could bring some of that working class vote back. We know for damn sure that courting Bush-era neocons ain't it.