03-10-2008, 08:49 AM
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Girl Seen In Clinton's '3 a.m.' Ad Supports Obama
Girl seen in Clinton's '3 a.m.' ad supports Obama
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BONNEY LAKE, Washington (AP) -- Casey Knowles didn't much like a recent campaign commercial for Hillary Clinton -- even though she's in it as a sleeping 8-year-old.
After all, she about to turn 18 now and is a big supporter of Barack Obama.
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The file footage was originally shot for a railroad company advertisement. The Clinton campaign bought it from Getty Images.
Knowles, a senior at Bonney Lake High School who turns 18 next month, has been campaigning for Obama. She attended his rally at Seattle's KeyArena on February 8. Her mother, Pam, told The News Tribune of Tacoma that Casey cried and trembled after shaking the candidate's hand.
The next day, she was a Democratic precinct captain for the state's caucuses. If she plays her cards right, she could go to the national convention.
Not to mention that she could be in another ad. After her identity became known, Obama's campaign contacted her.
"I mentioned that we should make a counter ad, me and Obama, against Hillary," she said. "They thought that was really funny. They actually might take me up on it."
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This is classic. Truly great.
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03-10-2008, 11:23 AM
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The Clinton campaign is hilarious.
Granted this is irrelevant, doesn't mean it's not bad for them.
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03-10-2008, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
The Clinton campaign is hilarious.
Granted this is irrelevant, doesn't mean it's not bad for them.
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My thoughts exactly. This should be a non-issue but in the propaganda wars that is now politics it might look bad.
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03-10-2008, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cowboy89
My thoughts exactly. This should be a non-issue but in the propaganda wars that is now politics it might look bad.
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Politics has always been about propaganda.
This is amusing. Not sure how this could translate into anything meaningful for either campaign.
I'm beginning to wonder if Obama can beat McCain. He refuses to go negative, and as the conservative right has demonstrated time and time again, attacking your opponent routinely translates into electoral votes.
Hell, Clinton just demonstrated it herself with her wins in Texas.
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03-10-2008, 11:46 AM
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There's a lot of time between now and August, and the 24-hour news media needs something to talk about. That's all this is, IMO. In a few weeks they'll have forgotten all about it.
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03-10-2008, 11:53 AM
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Bill Maher, March 7th:
Now, this week, Hillary Clinton got back in the race by fighting back, which is political talk for saying stuff about an opponent that works. When the phone rings at three a.m., Hillary is the experienced military genius I automatically want answering the phone because…why? The only three a.m. emergency call she’s ever dealt with was her husband begging her to come down to the police station with five hundred dollars and a pair of pants.
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03-10-2008, 11:53 AM
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I think its pretty hard to spin this... it might get the odd ironic chuckle, but that's about it. So the girl in the 10 year old file footage is actually an Obama backer... its completely meaningless. I had no idea paid actors had to actually support what they are portrayed endorsing.
If that's the best Obama can do, the Democrats should hope he loses the primary, because the mudslinging the Republicans are capable of doing will be shocking. I personally don't think Obama can beat McCain.
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03-10-2008, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
I think its pretty hard to spin this... it might get the odd ironic chuckle, but that's about it. So the girl in the 10 year old file footage is actually an Obama backer... its completely meaningless. I had no idea paid actors had to actually support what they are portrayed endorsing.
If that's the best Obama can do, the Democrats should hope he loses the primary, because the mudslinging the Republicans are capable of doing will be shocking. I personally don't think Obama can beat McCain.
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It's an interesting question really. I envision Obama winning the primary and enjoying a huge early lead in national polling numbers over McCain directly as a result of Bush Jr's unpopularity. Now as the Republican machine gets going negative they'll continually chip away at Obama's lead as they make Americans question the substance behind the "Change" rhetoric of Obama. Whether Obama eventually wins or not depends on his ability to prove himself of substance and whether or not the politicking by the Republicans is enough to overcome the hole they're in. That being said I'd still give Obama the nod to win in November. Americans as a whole are uneasy with the status quo and unless Obama gives them something to fear him taking office while campaigning, he'll cash in on that sentiment and become the next president.
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03-10-2008, 12:11 PM
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He doesnt need to go negative to beat McCain.. I think a wet dishrag could beat the republicans right now..
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03-10-2008, 12:26 PM
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I never said it would translate into much for either campaign and didn't mean to imply that it would greatly hurt the Clinton campaign. I just thought it was funny.
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03-10-2008, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by troutman
Bill Maher, March 7th:
Now, this week, Hillary Clinton got back in the race by fighting back, which is political talk for saying stuff about an opponent that works. When the phone rings at three a.m., Hillary is the experienced military genius I automatically want answering the phone because…why? The only three a.m. emergency call she’s ever dealt with was her husband begging her to come down to the police station with five hundred dollars and a pair of pants.
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hahaha It's almost too easy.
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03-10-2008, 12:40 PM
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Appealing my suspension
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
I personally don't think Obama can beat McCain.
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My approach my seem somewhat racial and simplistic...but McCain is an old, white, wealthy guy with military experience. Nearly every president before him has been of this ilk...as it comes closer to crunch time I think the want to make a dramatic change will subside. The largest chunk of the U.S. population is the Baby Boomers in that 40 to 60 year old age range and for a lot of them dramatic change is not that appeasing to them. If theres any undecided votes in this demographic...I think they may go back to the devil they know rather than the one they don't.
Should McCain win the republican nod which it looks like he will, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rebulican's pull out another last minute comeback type of thing. People like to talk about change, a lot more than they like to actually make it in my experiences. The Republicans will know how to exploit this.
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03-10-2008, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
I think its pretty hard to spin this... it might get the odd ironic chuckle, but that's about it. So the girl in the 10 year old file footage is actually an Obama backer... its completely meaningless. I had no idea paid actors had to actually support what they are portrayed endorsing.
If that's the best Obama can do, the Democrats should hope he loses the primary, because the mudslinging the Republicans are capable of doing will be shocking. I personally don't think Obama can beat McCain.
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Certainly not the best Obama can do. As evidenced in his astounding campaign thus far. It's just a little joke.
People in Idaho are even excited about Obama, he can beat McCain. Nobody is excited about McCain, he is kind of a "well, there's no one else" type candidate. The popular campaign strategy nowadays is motivating your base, and Obama motivates the Democratic base better than anyone I've ever seen.
I'm sure Obama is well prepared for Republican mudslinging. He's been nothing but prepared so far.
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03-10-2008, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cowboy89
It's an interesting question really. I envision Obama winning the primary and enjoying a huge early lead in national polling numbers over McCain directly as a result of Bush Jr's unpopularity. Now as the Republican machine gets going negative they'll continually chip away at Obama's lead as they make Americans question the substance behind the "Change" rhetoric of Obama. Whether Obama eventually wins or not depends on his ability to prove himself of substance and whether or not the politicking by the Republicans is enough to overcome the hole they're in. That being said I'd still give Obama the nod to win in November. Americans as a whole are uneasy with the status quo and unless Obama gives them something to fear him taking office while campaigning, he'll cash in on that sentiment and become the next president.
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This is exactly what I see happening, except I expect to see Obama take some heat on the "change" rhetoric, and some fairly damning assessments with his foreign relations, not only his two-faced stance on aggressor nations, but the way he essentially trivialized allies like Canada and Mexico.
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03-10-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
This is exactly what I see happening, except I expect to see Obama take some heat on the "change" rhetoric, and some fairly damning assessments with his foreign relations, not only his two-faced stance on aggressor nations, but the way he essentially trivialized allies like Canada and Mexico.
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Yes, because no American politican has ever trivialized Canada or Mexico. Heck, the guy in office right now didn't even know who the sitting Canadian "President" was when he took his oath.
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03-10-2008, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
Yes, because no American politican has ever trivialized Canada or Mexico. Heck, the guy in office right now didn't even know who the sitting Canadian "President" was when he took his oath.

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Yes, but we all know GW Bush is a goof that the American public want to get some distance from with their successor. They want a return to a savvy leader. A guy making suggestions that even GW Bush would never make to "President Harper," or intimating a violent incursion into Pakistan, rhetoric or otherwise, is not that direction.
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03-10-2008, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
My approach my seem somewhat racial and simplistic...but McCain is an old, white, wealthy guy with military experience. Nearly every president before him has been of this ilk...as it comes closer to crunch time I think the want to make a dramatic change will subside. The largest chunk of the U.S. population is the Baby Boomers in that 40 to 60 year old age range and for a lot of them dramatic change is not that appeasing to them. If theres any undecided votes in this demographic...I think they may go back to the devil they know rather than the one they don't.
Should McCain win the republican nod which it looks like he will, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rebulican's pull out another last minute comeback type of thing. People like to talk about change, a lot more than they like to actually make it in my experiences. The Republicans will know how to exploit this.
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I'm not so sure about that. The shrinking size of the middle class isn't a myth.
It's true that thinking about change and actually voting for it are two different things, and in a lot of ways I think people are surprised that Obama has gotten to where he is. The realization Americans are making almost seems like it's ahead of it's time. Usually elections are about what's happened in the past, this one seems to be about what people don't want in the future.
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03-10-2008, 01:44 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
Yes, but we all know GW Bush is a goof that the American public want to get some distance from with their successor. They want a return to a savvy leader. A guy making suggestions that even GW Bush would never make to "President Harper," or intimating a violent incursion into Pakistan, rhetoric or otherwise, is not that direction.
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Don't worry....its just campaign rhetoric.
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03-10-2008, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderball
Yes, but we all know GW Bush is a goof that the American public want to get some distance from with their successor. They want a return to a savvy leader. A guy making suggestions that even GW Bush would never make to "President Harper," or intimating a violent incursion into Pakistan, rhetoric or otherwise, is not that direction.
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George W. Bush is a genius. He has accomplished everything he set out to do. Considering how outrageous his plans were, it's amazing he completed all he wanted to.
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03-10-2008, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Don't worry....its just campaign rhetoric.

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Its rhetoric a man of Obama's stature and position should not be stooping to... he's simply not at a point of desperation where he needs to stick his neck out and say stuff like that. Unless of course, he somewhat believes it, or he didn't realize they were not smart things to say and he was only giving McCain and Clinton some ammunition.
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