Pickton Guilty of 6 counts - 2nd Degree - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

flylock shox · 12-09-2007, 01:18 PM

Pretty mixed feelings among the family member and interested parties about this verdict.

He'll never be out of jail again though, which is the big thing.

CTV is reporting on it now for those interested.

EDIT: OOPS!! Wrong forum. No Flames were involved in this trial that I know of. Mods please move or delete.

SarichFan · 12-09-2007, 01:25 PM

And you were the 1 millionth poster? For shame!

Eddie Bronze · 12-09-2007, 01:32 PM

How many total girls did they find evidence of on that farm again?

Originally they said they could only do 6-8 of them per trial because it would take years to go through all the evidence. Not fair to the families involved, the jurors, anyone really. So I wonder what happens now. I can't see how they don't try the other cases, but it's not like you can tack years on to a 'life with no chance of parol' sentence.

kobasew19 · 12-09-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

Hopefully Phaneuf murders Toews later today.

LOL, that is terrible yet at the same time, freaking awesome.

Locke · 12-09-2007, 02:05 PM

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Hopefully Phaneuf murders Toews later today.

He wouldnt even get manslaughter, they're just kids....

chris lindberg · 12-09-2007, 02:47 PM

I wonder if the RCMP has undercover Native woman posing as hookers on the streets of Vancouver & Edmonton trying to capture these serial killers?

There are 500 "missing" Native woman in Canada, shocking!

FlamesAddiction · 12-09-2007, 02:53 PM

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I wonder if the RCMP has undercover Native woman posing as hookers on the streets of Vancouver & Edmonton trying to capture these serial killers?

There are 500 "missing" Native woman in Canada, shocking!

And even still as a drive up and down HWY 16 from Prince George to Prince Rupert (known as the "Highway of Tears", I still see them hitchhiking all the time.

flamesaresmokin · 12-09-2007, 02:57 PM

There are many more races affected by things like this than natives.

Winsor_Pilates · 12-09-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

How many total girls did they find evidence of on that farm again?

Originally they said they could only do 6-8 of them per trial because it would take years to go through all the evidence. Not fair to the families involved, the jurors, anyone really. So I wonder what happens now. I can't see how they don't try the other cases, but it's not like you can tack years on to a 'life with no chance of parol' sentence.

They were talking about this on CTV. They said they will evaluate whether it's in the interest of the public to go forward with more trials.
The reporter also noted that this trial costs hundreads of thousands of dollars, but the BC Attorney genereal says money is not a factor in deciding whether or not to pursue more charges.

peter12 · 12-09-2007, 06:16 PM

What's terrifying to me is that there are at least two more serial killers still lurking on the streets somewhere in Canada.

Winsor_Pilates · 12-09-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by peter12

What's terrifying to me is that there are at least two more serial killers still lurking on the streets somewhere in Canada.

2 in particular? or is there always 2, like Siths?

Slava · 12-09-2007, 09:50 PM

Hey, I know that the OP said he will never be out of jail, but is this true? Is that based on the 20 other charges (possibly) or because of this verdict?

peter12 · 12-09-2007, 10:45 PM

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2 in particular? or is there always 2, like Siths?

A Master and an apprentice.

No, apparently they've found the DNA of two men, other than Picton all over the remains and farm equipment.

jolinar of malkshor · 12-10-2007, 01:03 AM

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A Master and an apprentice.

No, apparently they've found the DNA of two men, other than Picton all over the remains and farm equipment.

But which one did they catch? The master or the apprentice?

4X4 · 12-10-2007, 01:12 AM

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Hey, I know that the OP said he will never be out of jail, but is this true? Is that based on the 20 other charges (possibly) or because of this verdict?

Yeah... They haven't even sentenced yet. 2nd degree is a minimum of 10 years, no? Theoretically he could get concurrant sentencing and be applying for parole in 2018. And let's not forget that time spent in remand is worth 1.5 or 2x time in prison.
Hate to sound sarcastic or disillusioned, but Canadian justice is just that bad.

As for whether they should prosecute for the other murders, I think I heard the reporters say that the prosecutors have evidence for another 20 women. If this trial took this long for 6 murders, think what another 20 will take. I hope it doesn't come off as insensitive to the families of the 20 women, but if we could lock the f'er up for life (LIFE life), then I don't think more trials are necessary.
Besides, what about the other 23 women that haven't been accounted for? I think that there may have been a second person killing women simultaneously with Pickton. Maybe the two of them were doing their thing thinking whoever the other person was, if the other guy got caught first, the first guy would stop then and get off scot free. Or maybe I've watched too many movies.

Vulcan · 12-10-2007, 01:19 AM

If he ever makes parole they could always 'gate him'. What this means is just as he is released and stepping outside the gate, the cops arrest him for the 20 other murders.

4X4 · 12-10-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

If he ever makes parole they could always 'gate him'. What this means is just as he is released and stepping outside the gate, the cops arrest him for the 20 other murders.

Now that is a really good idea. Has this been done, or are you just a really clever SOB?

transplant99 · 12-10-2007, 07:56 AM

This is one of those cases that have me leaning off the fence, where i usually am, towards capital punishment.

I have no idea what the use is of having this man live out his days on the taxpayers dime, as its clear he will never ever be released/rehabilitated/of any use for anything to anyone again.

flylock shox · 12-10-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Hey, I know that the OP said he will never be out of jail, but is this true? Is that based on the 20 other charges (possibly) or because of this verdict?

Without going into the details of the Criminal Code, he will receive a life sentence in respect of each count (the judge will consider the murders together for the purpose of determining a sentence for each), and he will not be eligible for parole for at least 10 years due to his conviction on Murder 2. It's basically a lock that he will also get dangerous offender status - which means he can be held in prison indefinitely. While he has yet to be sentenced, it's pretty much a certainty he'll never be outside of jail again.

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

If he ever makes parole they could always 'gate him'. What this means is just as he is released and stepping outside the gate, the cops arrest him for the 20 other murders.

The Courts really really frown on gating though. It's seen as an abusive process, with all sorts of potential Charter implications. Not that it will matter though, he's never getting out.

As for whether there'll be another trial, I'd be surprised if the AG's office would bother. They've made public comments that "money is not a factor" in the consideration but, fundamentally, it is. The legal expenses, drain on witnesses and jurors, and the fact that it almost certainly won't change what happens to Pickton, all suggest it's not in the public interest to have another trial. I think with respect to the other victims, conviction in the court of public opinion will have to satisfy the families.

Of course, if there isn't another trial, there will likely be strong calls for a public inquiry. Stay tuned.

Eddie Bronze · 12-10-2007, 11:47 AM

Well the crown attorney was saying yesterday that they have plans to proceed with another trial so it certainly sounded like that was there intent.