Get ready for a lot more cold weather

[Hack&Lube]

I've always believed that the Global Warming frenzy was a fashionable fad that people are jumping on like a bandwagon. These environmental fads occur every decade. I don't deny it but manmade effects have always seemed to me to be a drop in the bucket and our actions to correct whatever damage we might have done to not have any real efficacy.

More and more evidence is showing up that we may be that we are in for many years of colder temperatures as we enter a cold phase of solar inactivity.
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/...html?id=332289

[Cowboy89]

Can we have one common thread for the "Global Warming Debate" and whenever a new article one way or another comes out can it stay to that one thread?

Forgive me if I'm jumping to conclusions but I envision this thread being a rehash of every other AGW thread where the usual suspects answer the call to defend their same positions using the same talking points. Might be useful to store it in one place so the same arguements don't come up and only new articles/points are debated. Not saying your article is not new, just that I can see the same things being debated.

[driveway]

I think that the idea of a general trend of "global warming" has been pretty much dropped by the science community in favour of the term "climate change". It's an acknowledgment that we don't have enough data yet to predict what overall effects human activities will have on the global climate. While I understand the want to think that the whole thing is a fad, doing so is just sticking your head in the sand. There is way, way, way too much evidence supporting man-made climate change to ignore it, or to claim it's 'just a fad'.

I have a feeling that what we will continue to see for the near future is continued and increased volatility in the climate. Colder, longer cold snaps, longer, hotter warm spells, worse droughts, severe floods, bigger storms etc. instead of a general trend of warming or cooling.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by fotze

The Nickleback are not true musicians thread

What are you talking about? Greatest band since the Beatles, in fact I'd argue better!

[Hack&Lube]

When I refer to "fad" I mean the aspect it has taken up in the popular consciousnous and seems to pop up all over the place now in popular entertainment to popular political action globally...not meaning that it is a frivilous issue when it is indeed very real. Just I find the nature of how many people have taken up it's banner and mantra so zealously to be very reminiscent of past "fad"s... when you have Ed Stelmach claiming environment trumps economy for the PCs, you tend to raise an eyebrow. Everything about it feels quite dubious to me.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Everything about it feels quite dubious to me.

How do you mean, dubious? It's not like it's an accessory or diet. It's a measurable phenomenon. I get your point that it gets a huge amount of attention from the media, but isn't that a good thing? I mean 70% of the world's population lives within 80 miles of the ocean, if sea levels go up, or down, that will have a huge impact socially and economically. The potential changes to the environment are the biggest issue facing us in the 21st century because they will impact every facet of our lives.

[rockstar]

Originally Posted by fotze

We could put it right next to these:
The organized religion thread
The Bertuzzi Incident thread
The newly formed Tanguay vs. Huselius thread
The Micheal Moore sucks thread
The Nickleback are not true musicians thread

What about the "slow-ass drivers stay the F*** out of the left lane!" thread?

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by rockstar

What about the "slow-ass drivers stay the F*** out of the left lane!" thread?

Well they should

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

What are you talking about? Greatest band since the Beatles, in fact I'd argue better!

I pray that was sarcasm.

[BavarianHorde]

I agree with you, Hack & Lube!

[MacDougalbry]

Thank god... I thought this thread was going to be about the weather forecast predicting another cold snap for this week.

[rubecube]

I find the idea of human-induced global warming (climate change) to be a little egotistical.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by fotze

We could put it right next to these:
The organized religion thread
The Bertuzzi Incident thread
The newly formed Tanguay vs. Huselius thread
The Micheal Moore sucks thread
The Nickleback are not true musicians thread

You forgot "Passing in the left lane vs Slow the f*** down", "Fascists vs Socialists", and "Why isn't Calgary like it was before I turned into a grumpy geezer?"

edit - oops, oh well

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I find the idea of human-induced global warming (climate change) to be a little egotistical.

Go to China and tell me that ...

[Ro]

Difficult to get through that when it contains sentences like this:

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.The ice is back.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.
And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

What's wrong with reporting the NEWS and not instilling political/personal bias into the article? Who owns the National Post again?

I mean this is the exact kind of thing that some people who are a little skeptical about global warming could read and say to themselves, "I knew it was all hippie nonsense fabricated by those left-wing tree-huggers," and shrug off anything to do with gloabal warming in the future.

If we are going to keep the debate open and honest, it needs to be centered in scientific fact/theory (like this article attempted to do, before getting all thos not-so-subtle jabs in), and not name-calling, accusations, and political interest.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by rockstar

What about the "slow-ass drivers stay the F*** out of the left lane!" thread?

Beat me to it...

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Ro

Difficult to get through that when it contains sentences like this:


What's wrong with reporting the NEWS and not instilling political/personal bias into the article? Who owns the National Post again?

I mean this is the exact kind of thing that some people who are a little skeptical about global warming could read and say to themselves, "I knew it was all hippie nonsense fabricated by those left-wing tree-huggers," and shrug off anything to do with gloabal warming in the future.

If we are going to keep the debate open and honest, it needs to be centered in scientific fact/theory (like this article attempted to do, before getting all thos not-so-subtle jabs in), and not name-calling, accusations, and political interest.

It's an opinion piece. It isn't written by a scientist, but a former politician/journalist.

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...ne_gunter.html

He's welcome to his opinion, and has some interesting info in his piece which I'm not willing to discount out of hand. However I'm not going to start parroting the info either.

He is someone with his own agenda. Keep that in mind, sort out the fact from the editorializing, and keep listening to all sides while coming up with your own opinion. Just try to make it an educated opinion, and recognize how your opinions are formed.