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Old 02-09-2008, 12:57 AM   #1
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Thoughtful article from the Wall Street Journal on the Democrat primaries.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1202...n_commentaries

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I ruminate in this way because something is happening. Mrs. Clinton is losing this thing. It's not one big primary, it's a rolling loss, a daily one, an inch-by-inch deflation. The trends and indices are not in her favor. She is having trouble raising big money, she's funding her campaign with her own wealth, her moral standing within her own party and among her own followers has been dragged down, and the legacy of Clintonism tarnished by what Bill Clinton did in South Carolina. Unfavorable primaries lie ahead. She doesn't have the excitement, the great whoosh of feeling that accompanies a winning campaign. The guy from Chicago who was unknown a year ago continues to gain purchase, to move forward. For a soft little innocent, he's played a tough and knowing inside/outside game.
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Mrs. Clinton is stoking the idea that Mr. Obama is too soft to withstand the dread Republican attack machine. (I nod in tribute to all Democrats who have succeeded in removing the phrase "Republican and Democratic attack machines" from the political lexicon. Both parties have them.) But Mr. Obama will not be easy for Republicans to attack. He will be hard to get at, hard to address. There are many reasons, but a primary one is that the fact of his race will freeze them. No one, no candidate, no party, no heavy-breathing consultant, will want to cross any line--lines that have never been drawn, that are sure to be shifting and not always visible--in approaching the first major-party African-American nominee for president of the United States.
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The Democrats continue not to recognize what they have in this guy. Believe me, Republican professionals know. They can tell.
Meanwhile a recent edition of Rolling Stone I was leafing through today had an editorial from Matt Taibbi (an awesome "alternative" political journalist) that both Democrat candidates are essentially the same, shallow set of political tripe, and that they are fundamentally indistinguishable in terms of actual policy.

Edit: 2nd article here.

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Old 02-09-2008, 10:55 AM   #2
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This is great:

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The Democrats have it exactly wrong. Hillary is the easier candidate, Mr. Obama the tougher. Hillary brings negative; it's fair to hit her back with negative. Mr. Obama brings hope, and speaks of a better way. He's not Bambi, he's bulletproof.
WSJ is completely right, Clinton is the definition of dirty politics. . .In the coming weeks she'll try her best to bring Obama down with her.

The thing with US elections are they're never about the policies put forward by either candidate. I agree both Obama and Clinton do not have cut and dry policy outlined, but that's because right now isn't the time to separate yourself from Republicans. From how things are looking, the US people want a fresh face, and they don't care too much about what it looks it.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:46 AM   #3
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This isn't Photoshopped. LOL

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Old 02-09-2008, 12:00 PM   #4
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This isn't Photoshopped. LOL

Look out she's got a shnuke.
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Obama . . . . the wave that breaks too far from shore.

http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/301973

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Old 02-09-2008, 12:14 PM   #6
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For some reason Hillary reminds of populist south american leaders.... a common thing there..... changing what she says and doing what it takes to make people happy... This is not what the US needs... they need strong direction and leadership that is not just there for votes in order to get out of their fiscal crisis.
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Old 02-09-2008, 08:05 PM   #7
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Well Obama beat Clinton pretty good tonight, looks like he's taking all 3 of the states and in pretty convincing fashion as well. Looks like the end of the line is rapidly approaching for Clinton.
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Well Obama beat Clinton pretty good tonight, looks like he's taking all 3 of the states and in pretty convincing fashion as well. Looks like the end of the line is rapidly approaching for Clinton.
That's premature. As they say, a week is a year in politics.
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Old 02-10-2008, 05:26 PM   #9
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Interesting, especially the timing, seems Clinton's campaign manager has stepped down, says not forced?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23099005
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Old 02-10-2008, 05:54 PM   #10
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Interesting, especially the timing, seems Clinton's campaign manager has stepped down, says not forced?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23099005
What? You mean the media acted to quickly and said she was fired?
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Old 02-10-2008, 06:01 PM   #11
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i'm sure she was asked nicely. really nicely.
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