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Old 02-07-2008, 02:15 PM   #1
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I'm wondering who here is aware of this organization?

Their political views are...Well...American, to put it bluntly. (More academically referred to as "Neo-Conservative")

The front page of their website describes them as "a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle."

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The undersigned from their statement of principles include names directly associated and, for that matter responsible for, the Us entering Iraq.

Very eye opening to say the least.

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You're about 6 years behind on this one.
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You're about 6 years behind on this one.
Making it...Irrelevant?

If this was common knowledge something tells me there would be more questions being asked than is the case.
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Making it...Irrelevant?

If this was common knowledge something tells me there would be more questions being asked than is the case.

Questions asked about what? Published philosophies of people who ascended to power and then acted upon them?

We've discussed this ad nauseum. Feel free to do it again...I'm just telling you that this is nothing new.
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Questions asked about what? Published philosophies of people who ascended to power and then acted upon them?

We've discussed this ad nauseum. Feel free to do it again...I'm just telling you that this is nothing new.
Fair enough, if it's a fata, nothing came up on a search. Then again the CP search engine is like a shot in the dark.

I guess the questions I'm referring to are the same connections both the videos i posted make. It makes the possibility of 9/11 being planned by CIA personnel very believable.

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Fair enough, if it's a fata, nothing came up on a search. Then again the CP search engine is like a shot in the dark.

I guess the questions I'm referring to are the same connections both the videos i posted make. It makes the possibility of 9/11 being planned by CIA personnel very believable.
Ever heard of the Truman Doctrine?
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Fair enough, if it's a fata, nothing came up on a search. Then again the CP search engine is like a shot in the dark.

I guess the questions I'm referring to are the same connections both the videos i posted make. It makes the possibility of 9/11 being planned by CIA personnel very believable.
No it doesn't.

Even Bill Clinton said the other day that if you believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government you are an idiot. His words, not mine. I don't understand why people continue to bark up that tree. It makes zero sense.
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It makes the possibility of 9/11 being planned by CIA personnel very believable.
Willie Nelson believes that too.

And he smokes a lot of pot.

You too?
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No it doesn't.

Even Bill Clinton said the other day that if you believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government you are an idiot. His words, not mine. I don't understand why people continue to bark up that tree. It makes zero sense.
Call me, and 70 million other Americans, an idiot then. And it makes little sense? Really. When all is said and done there will be over $2 trillion drained from the American tax coffers and directed into the corporate accounts of the some of the shadiest organizations, all of which payed huge amounts of money to get Dubya elected. No, $2 trillion is not a motive in any shape or form.
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Call me, and 70 million other Americans, an idiot then. And it makes little sense? Really. When all is said and done there will be over $2 trillion drained from the American tax coffers and directed into the corporate accounts of the some of the shadiest organizations, all of which payed huge amounts of money to get Dubya elected. No, $2 trillion is not a motive in any shape or form.
Don't like 50% of you believe in Creationism? So...
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Call me, and 70 million other Americans, an idiot then. And it makes little sense? Really. When all is said and done there will be over $2 trillion drained from the American tax coffers and directed into the corporate accounts of the some of the shadiest organizations, all of which payed huge amounts of money to get Dubya elected. No, $2 trillion is not a motive in any shape or form.
Great motive.

They didn't need to kill 3000 innocent people to get that done.

Unreal.
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Okay Peter, you got me. What does Truman Doctrine have to do with the PNAC, 9/11, or a government conspiracy theory?
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Okay Peter, you got me. What does Truman Doctrine have to do with the PNAC, 9/11, or a government conspiracy theory?
Oh, nothing at all. Just saying that idealistic democratic philosophy has always played a role in American politics.
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Uh huh. I'm not one of them. What's your point.

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Great motive.

They didn't need to kill 3000 innocent people to get that done.

Unreal.
Yes, they did. They needed an even so catestrophic that it would completely shutdown the public's ability to reason. The outrage that would be required to execute the sweeping plans on the table would require the nation to swallow anything that was said and fall in lockstep behind "the President".

You know what's pathetic, Dis? The failure of the Average American to acknowledge that we are coming up on twice that number of American dead in Iraq and Afganistan, and then the 100 times that of dead in those countries from the "wars" that followed.

The PNAC stated exactly what they would need to institute their vision of a new American empire, and that was delivered for them less than a year after assuming power. What a stunning coincidence!

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No it doesn't.

Even Bill Clinton said the other day that if you believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government you are an idiot. His words, not mine. I don't understand why people continue to bark up that tree. It makes zero sense.
I agree but with the record of this administration's lies and subterfuge, I wouldn't put it totally beyond their morals to look the other way as the 911 plot was hatched. In other words, I don't trust these Neo-cons as far as I can throw them.
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Uh huh. I'm not one of them. What's your point.



Yes, they did. They needed an even so catestrophic that it would completely shutdown the public's ability to reason. The outrage that would be required to execute the sweeping plans on the table would require the nation to swallow anything that was said and fall in lockstep behind "the President".

You know what's pathetic, Dis? The failure of the Average American to acknowledge that we are coming up on twice that number of American dead in Iraq and Afganistan, and then the 100 times that of dead in those countries from the "wars" that followed.

The PNAC stated exactly what they would need to institute their vision of a new American empire, and that was delivered for them less than a year after assuming power. What a stunning coincidence!

My point is, it's okay to be wrong, even if a lot of friends say you're right.
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My point is, it's okay to be wrong, even if a lot of friends say you're right.
That's a two way street is it not?
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I agree but with the record of this administration's lies and subterfuge, I wouldn't put it totally beyond their morals to look the other way as the 911 plot was hatched. In other words, I don't trust these Neo-cons as far as I can throw them.
What?

9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's term.

Are you saying that terrorists actively planned such an attack in that timeframe?

Let me clarify.

Are you saying that Bin Laden started planning the 9/11 attacks 'right' after the inauguration, and not a minute before? Would it matter if I said that Tenet was Director of the CIA before Bush came to office?
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That's a two way street is it not?
Well, it is, if you assume there is no evidence to counter your position. The evidence that suggests the 9/11 attacks were the work Al-Queda terrorists is staggering. The best the "Truth Movement" can come up with is holes.
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