Rumble in the Caledonia Jungle.

[mykalberta]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ia-monday.html

To be honest I am not sure why I am posting this, I dont really care whats going on over there. I just have a few questions.

(1) If I decided to protest, oh I dont know lets say the fact that too many girls these days have those "whore-tats" on their backs. And lets just say I decided to barricade memorial drive and rent a Back-O and start digging it up, couldnt, shouldnt the cops arrest my mal-content no-job a$$ (if I protest on a weekday non holiday, not meant to be racial)?

Maybe its just me but if someone blocks a road in protest shouldtn the cops just be able to say, move it tubby or to jail you go.

I dont get it? Why are people allowed to terrorize private/public property in name of a protest and get off scott-free. I dont mind the protesting but do it on the side of the road or in a park or something.

MYK

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ia-monday.html

To be honest I am not sure why I am posting this, I dont really care whats going on over there. I just have a few questions.

(1) If I decided to protest, oh I dont know lets say the fact that too many girls these days have those "whore-tats" on their backs. And lets just say I decided to barricade memorial drive and rent a Back-O and start digging it up, couldnt, shouldnt the cops arrest my mal-content no-job a$$ (if I protest on a weekday non holiday, not meant to be racial)?

Maybe its just me but if someone blocks a road in protest shouldtn the cops just be able to say, move it tubby or to jail you go.

I dont get it? Why are people allowed to terrorize private/public property in name of a protest and get off scott-free. I dont mind the protesting but do it on the side of the road or in a park or something.

MYK

Exactly. Do these guys have a permit? No. And they tore up the road, making them vandals. Time to break out the tear gas me thinks.

[Canada 02]

Mike Harris took a lot of blame for Ipperwash. There were allegations against the OPP and Harris of intolerance and racism. McGuinty opened a public enquiry days after he was elected. Clearly he wants to distance himself from the conservatives, be less confrontational and try to negotiate with the natives in this situation. As for why the police don't break up the blockade or arrest protesters, clearly it's because they don't want this to escalate. This is not unique to native disputes. Why didn't the police break up hundreds of truckers and their blockade of the 401? There is only so much you can do with a mass protest without using force.

[jolinar of malkshor]

They are breaking the law plain and simple. Put them in jail. Always a double standard with natives out east. Dont want to stir up a hornets nest.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ia-monday.html

To be honest I am not sure why I am posting this, I dont really care whats going on over there. I just have a few questions.

(1) If I decided to protest, oh I dont know lets say the fact that too many girls these days have those "whore-tats" on their backs. And lets just say I decided to barricade memorial drive and rent a Back-O and start digging it up, couldnt, shouldnt the cops arrest my mal-content no-job a$$ (if I protest on a weekday non holiday, not meant to be racial)?

Maybe its just me but if someone blocks a road in protest shouldtn the cops just be able to say, move it tubby or to jail you go.

I dont get it? Why are people allowed to terrorize private/public property in name of a protest and get off scott-free. I dont mind the protesting but do it on the side of the road or in a park or something.

MYK

This isn't about "whore-tats". This is about land that was supposedly swindled from them and they would like it back. If your home was stolen from you, you might protest a little strongly also. This has gone on for 200 years because the law never respected native rights. This seems to be the only way for the natives to receive their rights before the land becomes a housing development.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This isn't about "whore-tats". This is about land that was supposedly swindled from them and they would like it back. If your home was stolen from you, you might protest a little strongly also. This has gone on for 200 years because the law never respected native rights. This seems to be the only way for the natives to receive their rights before the land becomes a housing development.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. I don't care what the reason is, when you dig up the street and cut power to the city you can go to jail for being a cretin.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This isn't about "whore-tats". This is about land that was supposedly swindled from them and they would like it back. If your home was stolen from you, you might protest a little strongly also. This has gone on for 200 years because the law never respected native rights. This seems to be the only way for the natives to receive their rights before the land becomes a housing development.

Wah,wah,wah,wah. Poor Natives. I guess that their whiney sense that they got screwed out of land 200 years ago means that today it is cool for them to rip up the roads, cut power to innocent people and to use violence against those that come out to point out the BS actions that they are taking.

Actions like this certainly do little to drum up sympathy from me although it seems to be effective with politicians in the East who would rather step on everyone else's rights, property then to tell these Native where they should stick their BS "protests."

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Breaking the law is breaking the law. I don't care what the reason is, when you dig up the street and cut power to the city you can go to jail for being a cretin.

Well when the law never respected the natves for 200 years how can you expect the natives to respect the law. Have you never heard the expression, 'the law is an ass'. I think it was Jesus who said 'the law was made for man, not man is made for the law', when discussing breaking the Sabath..

[TimSJ]

My question is How many times do we have to pay the Natives for the land?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by moon

Wah,wah,wah,wah. Poor Natives. I guess that their whiney sense that they got screwed out of land 200 years ago means that today it is cool for them to rip up the roads, cut power to innocent people and to use violence against those that come out to point out the BS actions that they are taking.

Actions like this certainly do little to drum up sympathy from me although it seems to be effective with politicians in the East who would rather step on everyone else's rights, property then to tell these Native where they should stick their BS "protests."

They don't want your sympathy, they just want their land back. Is that to hard for you to grasp.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well when the law never respected the natves for 200 years how can you expect the natives to respect the law. Have you never heard the expression, 'the law is an ass'. I think it was Jesus who said 'the law was made for man, not man is made for the law', when discussing breaking the Sabath..

That's garbage. I'm supposed to suffer because of some stunts pulled by British and French colonials 200 years ago? Whether it's their property or ours it's still destruction of property and should be/is punishable by law.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

My question is How many times do we have to pay the Natives for the land?

Well in this case, I guess it was never paid for.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

They don't want your sympathy, they just want their land back. Is that to hard for you to grasp.

Tough titty. We're not giving it back. Should we also have to give the land that Vikings landed on back to their descendants?

[Knut]

Originally Posted by moon

Wah,wah,wah,wah. Poor Natives. I guess that their whiney sense that they got screwed out of land 200 years ago means that today it is cool for them to rip up the roads, cut power to innocent people and to use violence against those that come out to point out the BS actions that they are taking.

Actions like this certainly do little to drum up sympathy from me although it seems to be effective with politicians in the East who would rather step on everyone else's rights, property then to tell these Native where they should stick their BS "protests."

Completely agree.... This happened in the distant past. The aboriginals in CAnada have basically a free-ride through the school system, health care system and once educated at subsidized jobs. You can be 1/8th native and be able to get the majority of your university tuition paid for. However, there is a majority that do not complete high school. There is only so much we can do to make up for the "indiscretions" of our ancestors.

It is about damn time that the chiefs of the individual tribes/reservations step up and show leadership instead of just getting fat off the government subsidies/cheques.

Throwing more money at the problem isnt going to help.

My solution is that to qualify for the government subsidies a young first nations must complete High School. High school is paid for, but if you drop out, you enter the system that everyone else is in (ie. the normal welfare route). You need to give incentives for the money, not just straight out subsidies.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

They don't want your sympathy, they just want their land back. Is that to hard for you to grasp.

It is not too hard for me to grasp but I don't see why they should get "their land" back. I certainly don't look at it as their land.

Even if it was their land or they had some sort of claim to it I don't see how cutting off power, rippipng up roads and attacking innocent bystanders will help to encourae people to give it back to them.

Maybe they should take advantage of all the beenfits they have been given by the government of Canada and work to get "their land" back through more legal or legitimate ways, rather than resorting to illegal, destructive acts that harm the people of Caledonia who have done nothing to them.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Tough titty. We're not giving it back. Should we also have to give the land that Vikings landed on back to their descendants?

They don't want your house or farm etc. they just want the land that was originally ceded to them by treaty or don't you believe in honoring your legal commitments.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

They don't want your house or farm etc. they just want the land that was originally ceded to them by treaty or don't you believe in honoring your legal commitments.

That's fine. Let's go about it in a peaceful protest though. This has done nothing to encourage sympathy or further their cause.

[Clarkey]

This stuff is the only bagaining chips the Indians have. I don't agree with their claim but I can sort of understand that this is the only way they have to get their point across. They have a different way of doing things, it is unpredictable and it scares the mainstream society with what these people are capable of. I think the cops have done a good job of letting things tire out instead of inciting riots by not using strong-arm tactics with either side.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's fine. Let's go about it in a peaceful protest though. This has done nothing to encourage sympathy or further their cause.

I believe that is how it was conducted until the whites escalated it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I believe that is how it was conducted until the whites escalated it.

The whites escalated it by punching innocent natives? The whites escalated it by cutting off power?