Is this America's fault too?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Don't criticize Islam or you die

[longsuffering]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Nov 4 2004, 08:45 PM
Don't criticize Islam or you die

Some crazed lunatic kills someone and you're at the ready (again) to somehow paint all of Islam as the culprit.

Dis, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but when will you realize Islam is not inherently evil? Evil is sometimes done in the name of Islam, just as it is sometimes done in the name of Judaism or Christianity.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by longsuffering+Nov 5 2004, 04:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (longsuffering @ Nov 5 2004, 04:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Nov 4 2004, 08:45 PM
Don't criticize Islam or you die

Some crazed lunatic kills someone and you're at the ready (again) to somehow paint all of Islam as the culprit.

Dis, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but when will you realize Islam is not inherently evil? Evil is sometimes done in the name of Islam, just as it is sometimes done in the name of Judaism or Christianity. [/b][/quote]
I'm getting VERY sick of you.

1. I did not point at all of Islam as the culprit.
2. I do not believe, nor have I ever posted anything that would lead any rational person to believe that I think Islam is inherently evil.

How you came to those conclusions is a mystery to me. Just like when you came to the conclusion that I'm a 'rascist'.

[longsuffering]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Nov 4 2004, 09:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Nov 4 2004, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Some crazed lunatic kills someone and you're at the ready (again) to somehow paint all of Islam as the culprit.

Dis, I'm sure you're a nice guy, but when will you realize Islam is not inherently evil? Evil is sometimes done in the name of Islam, just as it is sometimes done in the name of Judaism or Christianity.

I'm getting VERY sick of you.

1. I did not point at all of Islam as the culprit.
2. I do not believe, nor have I ever posted anything that would lead any rational person to believe that I think Islam is inherently evil.

How you came to those conclusions is a mystery to me. Just like when you came to the conclusion that I'm a 'rascist'. [/b][/quote]
Don't act so innocent and indignant.

You chose to name your link "Don't critisize Islam or you will die", what was that supposed to mean?

[Displaced Flames fan]

That was supposed to mean that the film criticized Islam and the filmmaker was killed for it.

What part of that insinuates that Islam is inherently evil?

[longsuffering]

The name YOU chose for you link implies that anyone who critisizes Islam will be killed, as if that is what Islam requires. I think you intended for it to be provocative, otherwise you might have chosen to name your link "Critic of Islam killed".

Again, I think your (over)reaction is disingenuous. If you're not trying to paint Islam with broadstrokes based on the actions of an Islamic murderer, I'd suggest you consider words a bit more carefully.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by longsuffering@Nov 5 2004, 04:48 AM
The name YOU chose for you link implies that anyone who critisizes Islam will be killed, as if that is what Islam requires. I think you intended for it to be provocative, otherwise you might have chosen to name your link "Critic of Islam killed".

Again, I think your (over)reaction is disingenuous. If you're not trying to paint Islam with broadstrokes based on the actions of an Islamic murderer, I'd suggest you consider words a bit more carefully.

Why, then, is it only you who comes to these rash conclusions about me? I've never been called a racist by anyone before and not a single one of the people I've argued with similar issues about has accused me of believing that Islam is inherently evil.

Only you.

Maybe you're the one with the problem.

The worst part of this is that even if you just misunderstood what I was saying on either occasion, you continue to act as if you know the truth and I'm just trying to cover up how I really feel since you exposed it. That's arrogance at it's finest.

[longsuffering]

The name you gave your link had little to do with the article. It reported on a murder. The writer of the article didn't come to the same conclusion as you: "critisize Islam and you will die".

Tell me there was no significance to what you named your link.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by longsuffering@Nov 5 2004, 04:53 AM
The name you gave your link had little to do with the article. It reported on a murder. The writer of the article didn't come to the same conclusion as you: "critisize Islam and you will die".

Tell me there was no significance to what you named your link.

The name of a link is a conclusion now?

Can you please post the internet law that says that a name of a link can only be a conclusion derived from the information said link leads to?

You are something else.

Let me tell you this....I don't believe Islam is inherently evil and I never have. I am also about as far from being a racist as someone in my demographic can be. Everyone here knows that except you.

Can I be anymore clear?

[longsuffering]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Nov 4 2004, 09:58 PM

The name of a link is a conclusion now?


Let me tell you this....I don't believe Islam is inherently evil and I never have. I am also about as far from being a racist as someone in my demographic can be. Everyone here knows that except you.

Can I be anymore clear?

In this case, the name of the link is certainly an editorial comment as it didn't reflect what the article it linked to was about.

As I said Dis, I'm sure you're a nice guy. If you say it was nothing more than a careless choice of words, I'll have to believe you.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by longsuffering+Nov 5 2004, 05:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (longsuffering @ Nov 5 2004, 05:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Nov 4 2004, 09:58 PM

The name of a link is a conclusion now?


Let me tell you this....I don't believe Islam is inherently evil and I never have.# I am also about as far from being a racist as someone in my demographic can be.# Everyone here knows that except you.

Can I be anymore clear?

In this case, the name of the link is certainly an editorial comment as it didn't reflect what the article it linked to was about.

As I said Dis, I'm sure you're a nice guy. If you say it was nothing more than a careless choice of words, I'll have to believe you. [/b][/quote]
Get stuffed.

You've illustrated what you are all about very clearly. Don't ever extrapolate something I wrote into your twisted version again. While I'm extremely confident in how I'm perceived here (in terms of being a racist) it's still extremely offenseive to be accused of it based on absolutely nothing.

[longsuffering]

Like GWB, I see you're not into much introspection either.

Get off your high horse for a second, consider your link name and what it implies versus the tone of the article. At the risk of repeating myself, your link name had nothing to do with the article, or what the writer was reporting on. YOU changed the context of the article, making a direct connection between Islam (not a single Islamic nutjob) and the murder.

If you weren't so busy being indignant, I think you'd see the conclusion I made was not totally unreasonable.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by longsuffering@Nov 5 2004, 05:21 AM
Like GWB, I see you're not into much introspection either.

Get off your high horse for a second, consider your link name and what it implies versus the tone of the article. At the risk of repeating myself, your link name had nothing to do with the article, or what the writer was reporting on. YOU changed the context of the article, making a direct connection between Islam (not a single Islamic nutjob) and the murder.

If you weren't so busy being indignant, I think you'd see the conclusion I made was not totally unreasonable.

No, I made a connection between criticizing Islam and the murder.

Very important difference lost on you. I didn't change the context of the article, I simply drew attention to the link with a description of what it contains. A story about a man who criticized Islam and was killed for it. Extremely simple and has everything to do with the article.

You just couldn't wait to label me a bigot again though, so you extrapolated. Par for the course with you.

[Flame On]

I don't for a second think you're a racist DIS and I think your link title was very apt. The guy critisized Islam and then was killed, for it as confirmed by a note. 'nuff said.
However, I don't know what that's got to do with the subject. Are you saying everyone blames America for everything? Or that they or responsible for nothing? Or that they are beyond blame? I just don't see people concocting reasons to willy nilly blame them. I think a lot of people inlcuding half the States I'll add, think there are grave problems there and mismanagement and have given a lot of facts to justify them. IMO

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Flame On@Nov 5 2004, 05:28 AM
I don't for a second think you're a racist DIS and I think your link title was very apt. The guy critisized Islam and then was killed, for it as confirmed by a note. 'nuff said.
However, I don't know what that's got to do with the subject. Are you saying everyone blames America for everything? Or that they or responsible for nothing? Or that they are beyond blame? I just don't see people concocting reasons to willy nilly blame them. I think a lot of people inlcuding half the States I'll add, think there are grave problems there and mismanagement and have given a lot of facts to justify them. IMO

What my point was supposed to be with the thread title (not the link) was that this particular act perpetrated by a terrorist organization was not spawned in any way by US foreign policy. I think a lot of people believe that policy to be the cause of all terrorism that comes from the Middle East.

I didn't get a chance to get to that before being labelled a bigot, again.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Nov 4 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Nov 4 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Nov 5 2004, 05:28 AM
I don't for a second think you're a racist DIS and I think your link title was very apt. The guy critisized Islam and then was killed, for it as confirmed by a note. 'nuff said.
However, I don't know what that's got to do with the subject. Are you saying everyone blames America for everything? Or that they or responsible for nothing? Or that they are beyond blame? I just don't see people concocting reasons to willy nilly blame them. I think a lot of people inlcuding half the States I'll add, think there are grave problems there and mismanagement and have given a lot of facts to justify them. IMO

What my point was supposed to be with the thread title (not the link) was that this particular act perpetrated by a terrorist organization was not spawned in any way by US foreign policy. I think a lot of people believe that policy to be the cause of all terrorism that comes from the Middle East.

I didn't get a chance to get to that before being labelled a bigot, again. [/b][/quote]
Who knows, maybe the father of the kid was killed by arms provided by america when they were pitting Iran against Iraq. Or he was annoyed with the pro israel stance the US has for the most part and he has some reason to hate israel. So looks like not directly, but who can say indirectly.

[Five-hole]

I side with DFF on this one ( ). Longsuffering, you're out to lunch.

Edit: Holy bejeezus, where'd that clown come from?

[RougeUnderoos]

Wow this one derailed pretty fast.

To answer your question DFf -- no.

But! They did tie it to America in the note and they'll certainly blame the US for many things. Maybe they'll even say that the murderer wouldn't be living in the Netherlands if it wasn't for American foreign policy. Maybe his capitalist American Cocoa Crisp was soggy that morning. Maybe he just doesn't like slovenly filmmakers because he's seen Michael Moore on TV too many times.

What I am quite sure of though is that the murderer is a certifiable moron who has no idea what he is really fighting for (or, at least was fighting for).

It's probably not best to make light of the whole thing, but I must admit I just shake my head at the foolishness of these people. One of the gang arrested is 18 years old. Think about what you believed when you were 18 and how foolish you were. I'm quite certain that I had a little more brain power than this genius but even so, I wouldn't have been able to organize a drunk in a brewery when I was 18, let alone the downfall of western civilization.

Drop the crazy talk and have a little fun boys! There is a very small window in which you can be both an adult and a complete moron at the same time! Don't waste it on this lunacy!