Virginia House Passes Bill To Ward Off Antichrist

[Cheese]

Seriously...I cant make this crap up.

Yesterday House members approved a measure that would prohibit employers and insurance companies from requiring people to implant microchips in their bodies.
..according to The Washington Post, there are some fundamentalist Christians out there whose analysis of end-times biblical prophecy leads them to believe that the Antichrist will appear soon and force everyone to accept the “mark of the Beast” in their persons. That “mark,” they think, could easily be the microchip.

The article
So ya well...if any of you had planned to imbed a microchip in your bodies...beware its really 666, the mark of the beast.
I personally think its Tattoo's...definately tattoos!

see this

[Ozy_Flame]

Ahahahaha . . . . Oh Virginia, how cute.

[Komskies]

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Seriously...I cant make this crap up.

Yesterday House members approved a measure that would prohibit employers and insurance companies from requiring people to implant microchips in their bodies.

After skimming the article, it seems like a good law to me and there are some really obvious privacy concerns and personal freedoms that are being protected with it. As the bill's sponsor puts it:

"I just think you should have the right to control your own body," Cole said.

A few fundy's can twist a good idea into something about the mark of the beast... while silly, it's not a big deal and not news. It seems that the author is doing his best to stretch this into a story and drum up some controversy.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Ahahahaha . . . . Oh Virginia, how cute.

Well, it has little to do with Virginia.Frankly, not being able to be forced to be implanted with anything is a GOOD thing. Glad they passed the law, but to cite a fear of the Son of the Morning Star as the primary reason is just silly.

[mykalberta]

Wait a minute.

Religious folks in Virginia got the house to pass a bill making it illegal from EMPLOYERS or INSURANCE COMPANIES from REQUIRING people to implant microchips in their bodies.

And you think its a bad thing because of the reasoning.

Well ok, I hope the Liberal states of Ontario, Manitoba, Quebec, Maine, California dont pass laws. That way we can keep track of those hippie liberals with microchips.

You can hate religion all you want, but come on - a law saying someone cant force you to imbed a microchip is a GOOD law no matter the reason.

Also I love the fact the "atricle" posted is a slanted biased blog posting. Wow, liberal journalism at its finest there folks.

[peter12]

That's sort of a jump between forbidding the requirement of implanting microchips in employees and that the law was exclusively passed by religious fundamentalists. Atheists are dumb.

[Azure]

lol. epic stretch there cheese.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

A few fundy's can twist a good idea into something about the mark of the beast... while silly, it's not a big deal and not news. It seems that the author is doing his best to stretch this into a story and drum up some controversy.

No, the actual sponsor of the bill (the person working for the government) specifically says that part of the reason for the bill was because he "shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."

There's no stretch there, he's clearly saying the motivation for the bill is to protect against the Antichrist.

Another delegate says the same thing. ' "As a Christian, I believe there is a time that Christ will come back to receive his people home, and that's just the basis of what the Bible shows, and that there will be an antichrist that arises during that time, and those that remain, to buy or sell anything, they will have to take on this mark," Carrico said. "I don't know that it's a microchip." '

So unless other people can have their concerns about Ragnarok and every other religion's end of the world mythology ensconced into law, this clearly supports one religion over another.

They could have simply done this on the basis of civil liberties and privacy or whatever and there'd never have been a peep.

Originally Posted by peter12

That's sort of a jump between forbidding the requirement of implanting microchips in employees and that the law was exclusively passed by religious fundamentalists. Atheists are dumb.

How is it a jump when the sponsor of the bill himself says that that is part of the reason he submitted it?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by photon

No, the actual sponsor of the bill (the person working for the government) specifically says that part of the reason for the bill was because he "shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."

There's no stretch there, he's clearly saying the motivation for the bill is to protect against the Antichrist.

Another delegate says the same thing. ' "As a Christian, I believe there is a time that Christ will come back to receive his people home, and that's just the basis of what the Bible shows, and that there will be an antichrist that arises during that time, and those that remain, to buy or sell anything, they will have to take on this mark," Carrico said. "I don't know that it's a microchip." '

So unless other people can have their concerns about Ragnarok and every other religion's end of the world mythology ensconced into law, this clearly supports one religion over another.

They could have simply done this on the basis of civil liberties and privacy or whatever and there'd never have been a peep.



How is it a jump when the sponsor of the bill himself says that that is part of the reason he submitted it?

I agree that it was stupid of him to include remarks referencing something that was mentioned in the bible. However, to quote the Post article that this blog entry draws on:

the bill's sponsor, said that privacy issues are the chief concern behind his attempt to criminalize the involuntary implantation of microchips.

Plus if you look at exactly what he's saying when talking about the bible:

"My understanding -- I'm not a theologian -- but there's a prophecy in the Bible that says you'll have to receive a mark, or you can neither buy nor sell things in end times," Cole said. "Some people think these computer chips might be that mark."

Taken at face value, all he's really referencing here is not wanting to require a computer chip implanted inside you to engage in regular day to day business. It's a legitimate concern and something that has been discussed as a possible application to such technology and not just some sky-wizard fairy tale prophecy.

From my understanding of the 'news' story, some of what's been claimed is a stretch; not a massive stretch in some cases, but a stretch none the less. It seems like a good law to pass but mentioning the bible at all opens a whole can of worms. If he wanted a literary comparison maybe something out of Logan's Run or 1984 or Brave New World would have been less controversial (but arguably less accurate).

[Pinner]

Well we already have "chip" cards in our wallets, bank cards, credit cards, passports etc... with the real treat of identity theft, I could see people lining up for a implanted chip for everything, health care, payroll, financing, taxes etc....

I don't think it is that far-fetched at all...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by photon

No, the actual sponsor of the bill (the person working for the government) specifically says that part of the reason for the bill was because he "shared concerns that the devices could someday be used as the "mark of the beast" described in the Book of Revelation."

There's no stretch there, he's clearly saying the motivation for the bill is to protect against the Antichrist.

Another delegate says the same thing. ' "As a Christian, I believe there is a time that Christ will come back to receive his people home, and that's just the basis of what the Bible shows, and that there will be an antichrist that arises during that time, and those that remain, to buy or sell anything, they will have to take on this mark," Carrico said. "I don't know that it's a microchip." '

So unless other people can have their concerns about Ragnarok and every other religion's end of the world mythology ensconced into law, this clearly supports one religion over another.

They could have simply done this on the basis of civil liberties and privacy or whatever and there'd never have been a peep.



How is it a jump when the sponsor of the bill himself says that that is part of the reason he submitted it?

Sponsoring a bill is one thing. Passing a bill requires a coalition of interests.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sponsoring a bill is one thing. Passing a bill requires a coalition of interests.

The Virginia House of Delegates has just passed a bill

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The Virginia House of Delegates has just passed a bill

Sponsoring a bill is one thing. Passing a bill requires a coalition of interests.

Do you understand what that means?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Well we already have "chip" cards in our wallets, bank cards, credit cards, passports etc... with the real treat of identity theft, I could see people lining up for a implanted chip for everything, health care, payroll, financing, taxes etc....

I don't think it is that far-fetched at all...

Yeah well you can leave those things at home if you want to.

Forced or mandatory chipping is against human rights, and you haven't considered how these chips can be used against you.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I agree that it was stupid of him to include remarks referencing something that was mentioned in the bible.
However, to quote the Post article that this blog entry draws on:
Plus if you look at exactly what he's saying when talking about the bible:
Taken at face value, all he's really referencing here is not wanting to require a computer chip implanted inside you to engage in regular day to day business. It's a legitimate concern and something that has been discussed as a possible application to such technology and not just some sky-wizard fairy tale prophecy.

He didn't just include remarks referencing, he said he shared concerns that the chips would someday be used as a mark of the beast.

You are right, it wasn't just end times prophecy that he says is his concern, but it is some part of it, when it should have no part of it.

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

From my understanding of the 'news' story, some of what's been claimed is a stretch; not a massive stretch in some cases, but a stretch none the less. It seems like a good law to pass but mentioning the bible at all opens a whole can of worms. If he wanted a literary comparison maybe something out of Logan's Run or 1984 or Brave New World would have been less controversial (but arguably less accurate).

It's clearly not a literary comparison, he explicitly states that he shares the concern that these could facilitate a takeover by the Antichrist.

It does seem like a good law, but the ends do not justify the means.

[MarchHare]

"I just think you should have the right to control your own body," Cole said.

Whoa, does that mean what I think it means? Is this an elected Republican openly supporting a woman's right to control her own body and choose an abortion? Wow!

Oh wait...

In tracking the career voting records of all Virginia state legislators, Virginia Society for Human Life found that Representative Cole has voted a pro-life position 100 percent of the time (Votes were recorded from 2004 through 2007. Each legislator's rating reflects only the years that he/she has been in office).

Emphasis added.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_ratin...p?can_id=50950

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Yeah well you can leave those things at home if you want to.

I hear ya but if the crime rate, and identity theft continues to become more and more common, we will become a cashless society looking for a solution...

When I got my first bank card about 28-29 years ago everybody thought I was crazy dealing with "that machine".

People would stand in lines for a very long time to get cash or deposit a cheque and the freakin banks would close at 3pm "Banker's hours" 10 am -3 pm etc...

Bank cards were not very common 25 years ago... Remember, the only thing constant is change.

[yads]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Wait a minute.

Religious folks in Virginia got the house to pass a bill making it illegal from EMPLOYERS or INSURANCE COMPANIES from REQUIRING people to implant microchips in their bodies.

And you think its a bad thing because of the reasoning.

Well ok, I hope the Liberal states of Ontario, Manitoba, Quebec, Maine, California dont pass laws. That way we can keep track of those hippie liberals with microchips.

You can hate religion all you want, but come on - a law saying someone cant force you to imbed a microchip is a GOOD law no matter the reason.

Also I love the fact the "atricle" posted is a slanted biased blog posting. Wow, liberal journalism at its finest there folks.

I don't see a big push from either of those entities to require anyone to get chips implanted. Should we also pass laws forbidding employers from requiring people to sign an employment agreement in blood? Or how about forbidding a company from demanding a payment of a debt be satisfied by giving up your first born? It's just a needless law at the moment.

[photon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sponsoring a bill is one thing. Passing a bill requires a coalition of interests.

Sure it does, but there are laws to ensure that a coalition of interests serves (or at least doesn't harm) the interests of everyone, not just a specific group.