The Plan to Disappear Canada

[FunkMasterFlame]

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/06/08/DeepIntegrate/

If the machinations going on in this country regarding so-called "deep integration" were instead a communist conspiracy to take over the country (you will, of course, have to try hard to imagine this) the news media would be blaring the story.
Pundits would pontificate, editorialists would erupt, security forces would be unleashed.
Instead, a virtual conspiracy to make the country disappear through assimilation into the U.S. gets barely a mention.

Pretty scary stuff if you ask me. I love being Canadian and I would defend this country to the death to retain our national sovereignty, especially from the increasingly belligerent and imperialistic United States of Amurika.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'll get the tinfoil hats.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'll get the tinfoil hats.

gee thanks for that.

Anybody have anything relevant to say about the SPP?

[Locke]

I agree with you up the point of appreciating your pride and sharing certain sentiments.

However, I get the impression that this source is trying to impress its independence on us a little too much. A very common side-effect of independent media. In order to be heard, and deemed free thinking independents they have to appear to be thinking something that no else is thinking, or saying at least. To be considered independent they have to be the craziest voice in the crowd.

Its similar to the mentality of the music/art snob. They only enjoy the independent artists, all other music is whats wrong with the world, and then they hit the mainstream, and then they suck too.

Thats not to say that all points here must be discarded or discounted outright simply because of this. I'm simply implying that this is far from a credible source, but their points have merit, or at the very least may have merit. They must simply be taken with a grain of salt and interpreted accordingly. Dont swallow this pill without thinking.

Analyze and interpret.

Locke.

[arsenal]

From what it looks like, it looks like a move to a unified dollar for NA. Looks alot like the Euro. Not really a big deal. Most businesses in NA trade across the boarder, and it would make sense.

There are differences between Canadian's and American's, but they are fairly small.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Locke

I agree with you up the point of appreciating your pride and sharing certain sentiments.

However, I get the impression that this source is trying to impress its independence on us a little too much. A very common side-effect of independent media. In order to be heard, and deemed free thinking independents they have to appear to be thinking something that no else is thinking, or saying at least. To be considered independent they have to be the craziest voice in the crowd.

Its similar to the mentality of the music/art snob. They only enjoy the independent artists, all other music is whats wrong with the world, and then they hit the mainstream, and then they suck too.

Thats not to say that all points here must be discarded or discounted outright simply because of this. I'm simply implying that this is far from a credible source, but their points have merit, or at the very least may have merit. They must simply be taken with a grain of salt and interpreted accordingly. Dont swallow this pill without thinking.

Analyze and interpret.

Locke.

I agree that one should be wary about trusting information from any source, and absolutely that includes independent media. But when the topic at hand (ie. The Security and Prosperity Partnership, or the North American Union) has been hatched in secrecy, and then ignored by the mainstream media and government, who else is there to turn to to find out more information but the independent press?

There is plenty of information about the SPP on the internet, and 99% of it is from the independent media.

What is your opinion on the proposed merger between Canada, the US and Mexico?

[Juventus3]

Murray Dobbin is a NDP tool with no logical centre. If you love to read fantasy, he's your guy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

What is your opinion on the proposed merger between Canada, the US and Mexico?

I havent seen enough information on that topic. I imagine that a currency merger of that magnitude hasnt been seriously considered. The concept of the Euro was tossed around for the better part of a decade, and its final inception came because the German Deutschmark was, at the time the strongest currency on the planet and was deemed capable of supporting the common currency even after inclusions of the worthless Ruble and semi-worthless Lire.

I dont want to hear it from the people who will bombard me with claims of the American Dollar or the British Pound. There were several key factors that excluded these currencies. The British Pound for example has been valued at almost twice the American Dollar for a considerable amount of time now, it is not the currency benchmark, nor been considered the world's strongest currency, and hasnt been for some time.

And I dont believe the rumours of actual national and sovereign amalgamation between our three countries. To me that simply seems a preposterous notion founded on baseless rumour. An amalgamation of that magnitude would require legal and governmental proceedings that are entirely unprecedented. I'm certain we would have heard something from a public source.

Locke.

[Cube Inmate]

Actually, I've been privy to these discussions for about 30 years now and, in truth, it's really exactly the opposite...it's a vast conspiracy to make the USA disappear by overrunning that country with Canadian culture.

Peter Jennings...Mike Myers...gay marriage...it's all part of our big plan. We're already well on our way to convincing them that the Afghan invasion was all for oil. The next thing you know, they'll believe that it should be illegal to pay for your own health care. Michael Moore? Undercover Canuck!

In the final phase of our plan, we're going to invade with our CF-18s, the 10,000 soldiers we have left, and artillery shells filled with maple syrup. A mismatch, you think? In concept, but not when you realize that wars are actually fought on the strength of opinion polls! The Canadian polls will say that Americans are "(censored)s," and the American polls will say that Saddam Poutine doesn't have WMD so they'll simply cut & run...we win!

I'm not sure I was supposed to divulge all of this, but I'm relying on the fact that people so quickly disregard anything based on truth that this will be forgotten faster than Greg Gilbert.

[FunkMasterFlame]

I appreciate your honest reply Locke (and thanks for the laugh Cube!)

I believe one reason why this story hasn't gotten much play in the public forum is because our governments realise that there would be very little support for such a radical shift in sovereignty. Thats why most of the planning and debating has taken place in secret locations and behind closed doors.

Here is a link that contains much of the information I've found out about the NAU.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpag...60830133702539

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Actually, I've been privy to these discussions for about 30 years now and, in truth, it's really exactly the opposite...it's a vast conspiracy to make the USA disappear by overrunning that country with Canadian culture.

Peter Jennings...Mike Myers...gay marriage...it's all part of our big plan. We're already well on our way to convincing them that the Afghan invasion was all for oil. The next thing you know, they'll believe that it should be illegal to pay for your own health care. Michael Moore? Undercover Canuck!

In the final phase of our plan, we're going to invade with our CF-18s, the 10,000 soldiers we have left, and artillery shells filled with maple syrup. A mismatch, you think? In concept, but not when you realize that wars are actually fought on the strength of opinion polls! The Canadian polls will say that Americans are "(censored)s," and the American polls will say that Saddam Poutine doesn't have WMD so they'll simply cut & run...we win!

I'm not sure I was supposed to divulge all of this, but I'm relying on the fact that people so quickly disregard anything based on truth that this will be forgotten faster than Greg Gilbert.

Dude I loved that movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285470/


Narrator: [voiceover] *Green* card.
[beat]
Narrator: Lorne *Greene*
[beat]
Narrator: Coincidence?

[FunkMasterFlame]

One pf the few mainstream media opponents of the NAU is CNN's Lou Dobbs. He's brought up the subject a few times on his show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ernLnhIR8uI

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm not sure I understand the article. Can someone explain what the "plan" is?

[Thunderball]

I think this is a lot of overreaction to be honest.

The sky was falling all over Europe during the formation of the European Union. A common currency, common trade laws and open borders are a good thing for this country as well as the other two. The administrations are proceeding in this without voter or congressional/parliamentary consent because its not necessary at this stage yet, since no actual decisions have been made.

This isn't an "Orwellian Brave New World"... its called politics, and its happened this way for centuries... once there is an actual proposal, it will require democratic checks and balances. Canada isn't being "disappeared", and this isn't some grand conspiracy.

[Vulcan]

I'm pretty leery of this plan. In Europe they had three or four countries that were pretty equal in size and economy, so they didn't have one running the show as will happen here. They still have economic and social criteria that a country has to pass before getting an invite to join. The other problem is Mexico, who's economy and corruption is still third world and the most they have to offer is cheap labor. Watch our middle class start to disappear as more jobs are exported south and the ones left will go to the cheapest bidder having the cheapest labor. Right now we little unemployment but as we get inundated with Mexicans, our unemployment will go up with wages going down.

[worth]

It will happen. Canada, US and Mexico will merge into one state similar to the European Union with one currency, integrated government (like the EU has) more integration of military and police powers.

Canada's people will lose the right to chose its own path, because laws will be overseen by the NA Union, much like they are in the EU.

Then once you have an EU, a NAU and maybe an Asian Union and so forth, you can merge them into a world government.

The NAU will happen in the next 10 years. World government could be in our lifetime.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'll get the tinfoil hats.

It's such a secret cabal they have their own website where you can find their agenda.

http://www.spp.gov/

From the other side, for fairness, myth versus facts, their version:

http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Cowperson

[llama64]

Originally Posted by worth

It will happen. Canada, US and Mexico will merge into one state similar to the European Union with one currency, integrated government (like the EU has) more integration of military and police powers.

Canada's people will lose the right to chose its own path, because laws will be overseen by the NA Union, much like they are in the EU.

Then once you have an EU, a NAU and maybe an Asian Union and so forth, you can merge them into a world government.

The NAU will happen in the next 10 years. World government could be in our lifetime.

You're being a little overly enthusiastic with 10 years. Maybe within 20-50 we will see a strong economic union(beyond SPP and NAFTA) with a loosening of the borders -- joint laws; but culturally there is very little to unite the people beyond popular media.

Heck, the USA can barely hold itself together as a people now... the entire country is fracturing along political and religious lines. Try adding in the populations of Canada and Mexico and you're looking at a massive mess.

Looking at the SPP site, my initial thought is that it makes a lot of sense... almost prudent.

[worth]

I believe the initial plan was to unite Canada the US and Mexico by 2010. I don't know if that date is attainable without some outside work. That's why I said 10 years.

The one thing I can see accelerating the process is a massive terrorist attack. If that were to happen, I have no doubt the current governments of both the Canada and US would appeal to their citizens that the merger of the US and Canada is necessary to protect the people. Integration of economies, military and information would be portrayed as necessary to protect the people.

I think Lou Dobbs on CNN has done some segments on the SPP, NAU and the plan to integrate the countries. I'll look for some of those.


Here's a bunch:

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...+Union&search=

[Azure]

Mexico...and the US?

I guess those 12 million illegals have a good start.

Seriously though, outside of perhaps a common currency, and open borders, I don't think NA is going to be become one BIG country.