So the good part about Bush winning...

[Table 5]

is that now that he has no re-election to worry about, he can pretty much do whatever he wants.
None of those pesky approval ratings to bothered with.

Ugh.

Please, somebody tell me some good thinks that will come out of this.

Im sorry, I just dont understand how anyone in their right might could have voted for this man. Not that Kerry is a vaunted and great leader, but jesus people, there is no way he can be worse.

well, I hope the americans enjoy four more years of unabashed flag waving while the rest of the world points and laughs ( though nervously, i might add). The scary part is this time they voted for the man even though they know about everything he stands for and has done. There is no more excuse anymore. You got what you asked for.

[calgARI]

just great. another four years. certainly my neck of the woods in new york (extraodrindarily liberal) is in chaos.

[transplant99]

Im sorry, I just dont understand how anyone in their right might could have voted for this man.

48,819,608 people have voted for him...and counting. More than the entire population of Canada. Are they ALL "not in their right mind"?

Just asking.


Seems to me this is just another example of democracy in action and working how it is supposed to.

I dont like the results...but its clear the majority has spoken. (Much to the chagrin of some posters who hate the concept)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by calgARI@Nov 3 2004, 06:16 AM
just great. another four years. certainly my neck of the woods in new york (extraodrindarily liberal) is in chaos.

I find it funny how Bush's main claim to fame is the war on terror and the people who were most affected by terror in the US (New Yorkers) don't want him representing them.

[Table 5]

Originally posted by transplant99@Nov 3 2004, 01:20 AM
48,819,608 people have voted for him...and counting. More than the entire population of Canada. Are they ALL "not in their right mind"?

certainly doesnt make sense to me...but its clear people did for some reason or another.

I accept the results....but I shudder at the thought of four more years of scare tactics, patriotic bullying, and the complete lack of leeway in the administration.

[Table 5]

oh well, I guess atleast Bush winning will keep many comedians employed.

[Pagal4321]

There is a good thing to come out of all of this?
I too accept the results seems like Bush has the American's confidence....but I do like FlamesAddictions observation, I find that quite funny.

[Daradon]

A very heated debate with my father got me out of arguing politics for a while (he's anti-Bush too, but we were discussing other things) and put me at ease about the situation. I have been assuming that Bush will win now since before the debates, and even with Kerry supposedly winning those, I still thought Bush might win. It's their election and their country and they reserve the right to elect their leader. I left most of my emotion about the outcome behind.

However, that means I resevre the right to complain about the 'stupid Americans' any time I want. I read a National Post article about rising anti-american sentiment and people being racist against Americans...

Now I'm sorry. I'm not being biased against color, religion, creed, sex, age, whatever. I am angry because of some people's decisions (or their lack of making a decision). This is a feeling (not a bias) about a person's decision or a group of people's decision on how to live their life and what their role in the world is, and what their priorities are. Obviously it not to the same extremes, but no one called those who didn't like Germans during the Nazi regime racist. (REPEAT I'M NOT COMPARING THE U.S. TO NAZI GERMANY)

And as I mentioned about two weeks ago, the U.S. and it's sympathizers have no footing to complain about anti-U.S. sentiment if they choose to re-elect Bush. It's your bed, you sleep in it. If you really believe in that, you should be willing to stand up for it and not whine about how no one likes you.

And I really don't want to hear this 'they hate our freedom' BS anymore. I don't remember Canada being a target for terrorists. How about Sweden? Or Switzerland, perhaps the most free nation out there. If you believe that, fine. But don't argue it with me or the rest of the world.

If you allow me to have my viewpoints, you can have yours and can enjoy your president. However if you're going to be in our country and complain about how the rest of the world doesn't like you and Canada should be more receptive to it's neighbors, well then perhaps you should think a little more globally.

(It think that's out of my system)

[Faid1]

Originally posted by transplant99@Nov 2 2004, 11:20 PM
Im sorry, I just dont understand how anyone in their right might could have voted for this man.

48,819,608 people have voted for him...and counting. More than the entire population of Canada. Are they ALL "not in their right mind"?

You kidding? This is the same America who believes Saddam had a part in 9/11.

MOD edit: To remove inappropriate comment.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by Daradon@Nov 3 2004, 06:29 AM
A very heated debate with my father got me out of arguing politics for a while (he's anti-Bush too, but we were discussing other things) and put me at ease about the situation. I have been assuming that Bush will win now since before the debates, and even with Kerry supposedly winning those, I still thought Bush might win. It's their election and their country and they reserve the right to elect their leader. I left most of my emotion about the outcome behind.

However, that means I resevre the right to complain about the 'stupid Americans' any time I want. I read a National Post article about rising anti-american sentiment and people being racist against Americans...

Now I'm sorry. I'm not being biased against color, religion, creed, sex, age, whatever. I am angry because of some people's decisions (or their lack of making a decision). This is a feeling (not a bias) about a person's decision or a group of people's decision on how to live their life and what their role in the world is, and what their priorities are. Obviously it not to the same extremes, but no one called those who didn't like Germans during the Nazi regime racist. (REPEAT I'M NOT COMPARING THE U.S. TO NAZI GERMANY)

And as I mentioned about two weeks ago, the U.S. and it's sympathizers have no footing to complain about anti-U.S. sentiment if they choose to re-elect Bush. It's your bed, you sleep in it. If you really believe in that, you should be willing to stand up for it and not whine about how no one likes you.

And I really don't want to hear this 'they hate our freedom' BS anymore. I don't remember Canada being a target for terrorists. How about Sweden? Or Switzerland, perhaps the most free nation out there. If you believe that, fine. But don't argue it with me or the rest of the world.

If you allow me to have my viewpoints, you can have yours and can enjoy your president. However if you're going to be in our country and complain about how the rest of the world doesn't like you and Canada should be more receptive to it's neighbors, well then perhaps you should think a little more globally.

(It think that's out of my system)

Canadians re-elected the Liberals. Who are we to point fingers?

The best thing about Bush being re-elected is watching Moore and Lanny implode.

Worst: Having to put up with the both of their ever more outlandish and convoluted conspiracy theories.

[Daradon]

As unsavory as the liberals might be, I don't think they have the same effect over the rest of the world. Besides, I didn't vote for them anyway.

[moon]

Well the main benefit is that John Kerry won't be President.

[Daradon]

Originally posted by moon@Nov 3 2004, 01:07 AM
Well the main benefit is that John Kerry won't be President.

Lol, very succinct. Even though I disagree with you, I must say, it made me laugh. Good call.

[Cain]

Originally posted by Daradon@Nov 3 2004, 06:41 AM
As unsavory as the liberals might be, I don't think they have the same effect over the rest of the world. Besides, I didn't vote for them anyway.

Not all americans voted for bush either.

[browna]

A greater chance of the borders being opened to Canadian beef?

Agreed with T99's statement.

[Ozy_Flame]

I bet Michael Moore is crying like a little school girl.

On the flipside, looks like we'll have more highly comical and entertaining documentaries like Farenheit 9/11.

You're right Table 5, looks like his re-election will keep many comedians employed.

[Daradon]

Originally posted by Cain+Nov 3 2004, 01:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cain @ Nov 3 2004, 01:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Daradon@Nov 3 2004, 06:41 AM
As unsavory as the liberals might be, I don't think they have the same effect over the rest of the world. Besides, I didn't vote for them anyway.

Not all americans voted for bush either. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, I know, I'm just blowing off steam. And when I'm generalizing (which I know isn't a good thng to be doing) I mean Bush supporters or non voters. Don't mind me, I just get mad when someone calls me a bigot or a racist just because I don't agree with their policies.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Nov 3 2004, 12:34 AM
Worst: Having to put up with the both of their ever more outlandish and convoluted conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately the implications of Bush being re-elected could have somewhat more severe consequences than just your message-board rival and a leftie-filmmaker being unhappy.

I think though that Georgie and friends (if they do actually win) are going to change there style quite drastically. The hawks are out is my guess, and George The Elder and some (I can't believe I'm saying this) plain old conservatives are hopefully going to gain some influence. Pat Buchanan probably voted Democrat.

Rumsfeld is out, Rice is too smart and too young to keep going with the current "crazy" policy and the dreaded neo-cons and their "lets start a fight" plans will be ushered out the door. That crew has failed and almost (or did) cost them the election. George can't bring in a draft and if he follows their line of thinking it's inevitable that he'll hafta do that.

There was some rather morose talk tonight about whether or not George could "bring the country together". He has to do it, and that means a move to the center. It's becoming painfully obvious that the guy (despite outward appearances) is not a moron. Let's hope he listens to himself.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

I partly agree with Table5, as in, who in their right mind could actually vote for Bush? It's not all him though, it's the staff that comes with him like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.

I think he got re-elected mostly on the issue of terrorism and homeland security, which really boggles my mind. I think alot of people see Bush running around invading countries, saying that freedom is being spread and terrorism being crushed whenever he can and they soak it right up. But really, it's more like confusing activity with results: Alot is going on, but not much progress is really being made when it comes to fighting terrorism, in my opinion. I certainly would be feeling less safe than before (when evil Saddam was a few WMD's away from total world domination).

Also, tying into my second point about the kind of people that you get when you vote for Bush, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz are the two biggest clowns in that administration and yet they are the ones pulling most of the strings regarding foreign policy. Decorated military figures like Shinseki, Powell, Hoar and Franks (who later caved) told these two twits that 'many hundreds of thousands of troops' would be needed to secure Iraq after the country had been occupied. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, backed by their illustrious and extensive military experience, basically told them all 'You have no idea what you are talking about. You are wrong. We will do it our way.' and moved in and look what has happened...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by FlamesAllTheWay@Nov 3 2004, 02:08 AM
Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, backed by their illustrious and extensive military experience, basically told them all 'You have no idea what you are talking about. You are wrong. We will do it our way.' and moved in and look what has happened...

Rumsfeld is actually a veteran and he was in combat. But! He still doesn't know what he's doing and he seems to ignore career military men and their advice. In other words, he fought 50 years ago and isn't qualified to make the call, but at least he's not a coward like his bosses, or an armchair quarterback like Wolfowitz et al.


EDIT: LIES FROM ME! Rumsfeld was a pilot but he never served in combat.