Pats are a bunch of cheaters...

[FlamingLonghorn]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989

I like how if they are found to have been cheating than they just lose a draft pick. If there's solid evidence of this then they should have to forfeit the game. I don't just say this because I am a Jets fan.

[burn_baby_burn]

Maybe it isn't all just the genious of Bill Belichek. He is a smart coach and his team is very well prepared and appears to work hard. But cheating will give you that extra edge that your opponent doesn't have.

One would think that a team could away with hiding a camera man in the stands to record the signals. Maybe that kind of cheating is league wide.

[Juventus3]

This is a moot point. The game would have been a blowout regardless. Did you watch it? Those two teams shouldn't have even been in the same league.

Oh, and classy move on the part of Jet fan to cheer when their starting QB goes down with injury.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Sowa

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989

I like how if they are found to have been cheating than they just lose a draft pick. If there's solid evidence of this then they should have to forfeit the game. I don't just say this because I am a Jets fan.

Riggggght... a blow out game getting overturned because someone was taping the defensive signals of the other team. Come on.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Riggggght... a blow out game getting overturned because someone was taping the defensive signals of the other team. Come on.

And transmitting them over radio to the offensive coordinator who then tells the qb the defensive play thus knowing what to do when the ball is snapped...

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

Oh, and classy move on the part of Jet fan to cheer when their starting QB goes down with injury.

I don't know what this has to do with anything. I certainly didn't cheer when Pennington went down. Clemens isn't going to do anything special. And they didn't cheer when Pennington went down they cheered when Clemens came in big difference...

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Sowa

And transmitting them over radio to the offensive coordinator who then tells the qb the defensive play thus knowing what to do when the ball is snapped...

Well, the radios in the helmet are turned off with 15 seconds left on the play clock or as the team approaches the line, so unless the defense are calling all their signals before the offense approaches the line and then don't do any adjustments, your hypothesis won't work.

[flames_1987]

The Pats still would've beat the Jets.

There needs to be some punishment for something that the Pats have done again and again. Can't wait to hear Bill mumble his way out of this dressed in is usual hobo attire.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Sowa

And transmitting them over radio to the offensive coordinator who then tells the qb the defensive play thus knowing what to do when the ball is snapped...

If you think the Patriots are the only team to do this, it's wishful thinking. Making them forfeit the game is ridiculous...

[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I don't know what this has to do with anything. I certainly didn't cheer when Pennington went down. Clemens isn't going to do anything special. And they didn't cheer when Pennington went down they cheered when Clemens came in big difference...

It didn't really have anything to do with the original post, but it involves the team being talked about. Did you hear the crowd when he limped off the field? It was horrible to listen to.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

If you think the Patriots are the only team to do this, it's wishful thinking. Making them forfeit the game is ridiculous...

How come they are the only team that's been caught? Now for the second time publicly... Are they just bad at it?

[Burninator]

Excuse my NFL ignorance, but since you can't have cameras recording hand signals, couldn't you have a couple people with binoculars writing down the hand signals and/or using a radio?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

If you think the Patriots are the only team to do this, it's wishful thinking. Making them forfeit the game is ridiculous...

Is it? If you want to eliminate cheating, then the punishment needs to be such that teams won't risk it. In a 16 game season, a forefit could prove disasterous. It would be a very good way to put a stop to it.

However, to be fair, the teams need to know that that is the risk they take going in. So in this case, a forefit might not be approprite.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Sowa

How come they are the only team that's been caught? Now for the second time publicly... Are they just bad at it?

This is such a non-issue for everyone in the league other than Fat-mangeni and the rest of that sad Jets organization.

If they get caught, take away a 7th round pick and tell them not to do it again. But the NFL has bigger fish to fry than a team that wins by more than 20 "stealing" defensive signals from an inferior team - ie. player behavior, steriods, etc...

Baseball seems to be smart enough to change things up - the third base coach disguises his signals and the catcher does the same with a runner on 2nd.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Baseball seems to be smart enough to change things up - the third base coach disguises his signals and the catcher does the same with a runner on 2nd.

True but there are some differences between the sports that may prevent this. NFL playbooks are more complicated than the possible plays a third base coach could be relaying to a runner. In baseball, you've got maybe a handful of guys (coach, baserunner(s) and batter) that need to be on the same page. In football, you've got the coach plus the rest of the defence.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

This is such a non-issue for everyone in the league other than Fat-mangeni and the rest of that sad Jets organization.

THey made the playoffs last year so can't be too sad. Also, the Packers filed a public complaint and if you read the article one of the guys on the competition committee says this isn't the first he's heard about the Pats doing this. But, don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant argument....

PS And yes I know the Pats would've still beat the Jets, but it's still ridiculous that they (supposedly) repeatedly get away with this. I also wouldn't be surprised that Mangini would know about it because he coached with Bill for so long....

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Excuse my NFL ignorance, but since you can't have cameras recording hand signals, couldn't you have a couple people with binoculars writing down the hand signals and/or using a radio?

Thats why you see the coaches sending in the plays covering their mouths or trying to shield their signals. Its the game within the game.

[fredr123]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...=ESPNHeadlines

Supposedly it's now been confirmed. The Pats will have a chance to plead their case about the videotaping and the radio frequency irregularities before a disciplinary decision is handed down, probably Friday.

[Flames in 07]

I wouldn't cut the jets short, if you knew say half the plays, I'd guess that is worth 28 - 35 points easy. It's a very easy sport if you know what the other team is going to do.

[Clever_Iggy]

ESPN reported that Goddell and the NFL are considering "severe sanctions" including the possibility of the Patriots losing multiple draft picks.

I think the NFL taking away a couple picks is fair.