Lethal Injection Formula Needs To Be Changed

[HelloHockeyFans]

... says its original creator.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/30...ion/index.html

Apparently, there are three stages in the formula used for lethal injection executions:

Stage 1) Use of an anesthetic to leave the inmate unconscious.

Stage 2) Use of a paralytic to suffocate the individual.

Stage 3) Use of potassium chloride to induce cardiac arrest.

Some boggling accounts in the story linked above... like administrators of the injection inserting the needle in THE WRONG WAY?!! Or another incident when the needle was inserted too far, going completely through the vein and into the flesh of the arm?!!

Perhaps they just need to properly train these people...

[FireFly]

I think they should skip stage one... Stage two seems like more fun to watch if the guy it's being done to is still awake... Or is that too sadistic of me?

[Flash Walken]

or they could just abolish it completely instead of the cost intensive 'changing'.

[Burninator]

I heard that the creator literally came up with the formula at a pub and wrote it on a bar napkin. And that is the formula that has been used for every execution.

The guy that was alive for 90 minutes would have been agonizing to watch for those people and non too pleasant for him too. I am sure that is a case of cruel and unusual punishment.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I think they should skip stage one... Stage two seems like more fun to watch if the guy it's being done to is still awake... Or is that too sadistic of me?

Um... yeah... totally sadistic.

[HelloHockeyFans]

A related story found today on cnn.com.

Convicted killer fears his last moments

The study concluded the drug protocol a "failure" because the prisoners had below acceptable levels of thiopental in their systems indicating they probably suffered immense pain before they died.

"I was shocked that there had been no research on what is being used on humans, when in veterinary medicine, pancuronium is strongly discouraged," said study author Dr. Teresa Zimmers, an assistant professor of surgery at the University of Miami School of Medicine.

Tennessee's rescinded manual appeared to confuse lethal injection with electrocution. For example, it called for an inmate's head to be shaved, and for officials to have a fire extinguisher, electrode gel, an emergency generator and an electrician present.

And, for those interested, copies of the rescinded manual and the new, revised procedures:

Old manual

Newly proposed procedures

[HelloHockeyFans]

Hmm... interesting note found in the old manual regarding the prisoner's last meal.

The maximum cost is set at $20. I always assumed that it was significantly higher than that.

[Cowperson]

"I was shocked that there had been no research on what is being used on humans, when in veterinary medicine, pancuronium is strongly discouraged," said study author Dr. Teresa Zimmers, an assistant professor of surgery at the University of Miami School of Medicine.

I've attended all too many assisted deaths of pets but I will say they go very quickly and quietly, without pain . . . . at least the one's I've been at.

So, as the doctor noted, it does seem odd the painless and quick death of an animal can't be translated to a human in a similar manner.

Cowperson

[Azure]

I bet the guy who this 'convicted killer' murdered feared his last moments too.

But I agree with Cowperson. If we're going to do it the humane way, why can't humans get the same treatments that all our beloved pets get?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Azure

I bet the guy who this 'convicted killer' murdered feared his last moments too.

But I agree with Cowperson. If we're going to do it the humane way, why can't humans get the same treatments that all our beloved pets get?

Why do it the humane way? I know if one of these peices of crap murdered my wife or son I'd want him/her to suffer. Put them in a room with the family members of the victim and give the family members any implements they wish to use.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Why do it the humane way? I know if one of these peices of crap murdered my wife or son I'd want him/her to suffer. Put them in a room with the family members of the victim and give the family members any implements they wish to use.

Because the legal system doesn't execute people to cause pain, they do it to kill them. If we institutionalized torture before execution in our society I think that would be a very, very bad thing.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Because the legal system doesn't execute people to cause pain, they do it to kill them. If we institutionalized torture before execution in our society I think that would be a very, very bad thing.

I guess I am lacking in sympathy for murderers and rapists. I think they should suffer like its 1601.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

I guess I am lacking in sympathy for murderers and rapists. I think they should suffer like its 1601.

I hear ya... luckily society and the legal system evolved over the past 400 years... for the better, imo.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I hear ya... luckily society and the legal system evolved over the past 400 years... for the better, imo.

Well, we'll agree to disagree.

[CaptainCrunch]

Justice should not be about revenge.

Making someone suffer horribly when they're executed is motivated by a desire to make the pay.

I've always thought the best way to off them is two bullets to the back of the head from close range, no worrying about lethal injections, or failures to die in the chair.

Jump out from behind a door when the criminal least expects it and give him a clip.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

I guess I am lacking in sympathy for murderers and rapists. I think they should suffer like its 1601.

I wonder how much crime would go down if murderers, child molesters, and rapists, were burned at the stake in the town square, for all to see?



Or how about a good public be-heading? Or would that be too quick and painless? They say the brain lives on for a few seconds after the head is separated from the body. Do you think the head can still see too?

[CaptainCrunch]

You guys know I'm pretty much pro death penalty, however its value as a discouragement to me has lessened a bit.

A person who is a criminal, or decides to commit a crime like murder or rape dosen't think about whats going to happen if he gets caught. So paying the ultimate crime isn't a deterrant in that case.

The value to me, is that it permanently removes a person from gaining the ability to do an unforgivable crime ever again.

But would burning someone at the stake publically stop the next guy from doing it. Probably not, especially in our legal system.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I wonder how much crime would go down if murderers, child molesters, and rapists, were burned at the stake in the town square, for all to see?

It would probably go up.

People who grow up and live in a society that celebrates torture and death in the public square would not have much regard for the value of human life.

They'd do whatever they think they can get away with.

[Flashpoint]

How come the pro life camp doesn't do more to try and stop capital punishment? Just asking. I guess some lives are worth more than others.

I don't like the death penalty because it precludes any chance whatsoever for redemption. You never know when someone might turn their life around and contribute something important. I know I am a very different person than I was 10 years ago. Many of you probably are too.

Compassion and the opportunity for rehabilitation is both the sign, and the goal of an enlightened society IMO.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

How come the pro life camp doesn't do more to try and stop capital punishment? Just asking. I guess some lives are worth more than others.

I don't like the death penalty because it precludes any chance whatsoever for redemption. You never know when someone might turn their life around and contribute something important. I know I am a very different person than I was 10 years ago. Many of you probably are too.

Compassion and the opportunity for rehabilitation is both the sign, and the goal of an enlightened society IMO.

Because their leader is too busy at anti-abortion rallies.

http://www.break.com/index/crazy-chick-at-rally.html