Kerry or Bush: Who is better for Canada?

[FlamesAddiction]

The CBC takes a look at how each candidate would affect Canada.

On the issue of trade:

They give the edge to Bush it seems. Kerry is more of a protectionist and would try to stop free movement of labour. While Canada might have to adjust, I completely agree with Kerry and wish Canadian politicians would do the same. They do however mention that Kerry would allow for prescription drugs to move across the border, I am not sure if that would be a lot of revenue for Canada.

On the environment:

Slight edge to Kerry it seems. They don't sound to optimistic about either one. Maybe an edge to Kerry just because he does support Kyoto in principle and he wants to promote alternatives to oil.

Foreign Policy:

They give this one to Kerry.

Beef trade:

This one goes to Bush.

Toronto Garbage:

Goes to Bush. Apparently Kerry wants to ban Canadian garbage from going to Michigan. It might suck for Toronto since they will have to pay to have it shipped further away, but at the same time, I agree with Kerry and would wish our politicians did the same.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/uselecti.../cdnissues.html

[arsenal]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction
They do however mention that Kerry would allow for prescription drugs to move across the border, I am not sure if that would be a lot of revenue for Canada.

They talked to one of the companies that sends precription drugs over the boarder to the states. Basically they said that it would put them out of business. There is no way the canadian companies would be able to keep up with the demand. And all of these are privately owned (AFAIK). So if Kerry wins, buy stocks in them the next day, the sell like a month later, after they sky rocket.

[Cowperson]

Although I'm hoping Kerry wins, one of the biggest lies he's told the Ameican public is that drugs from Canada would take care of American prescription drug needs. That's flat out ridiculous.

And both candidates dodge the issue of why the citizens of the wealthiest nation on earth need to be relying on price controlled drug supplies from foreign countries.

Cowperson

[calf]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 24 2004, 06:23 PM
Toronto Garbage:

Goes to Bush. Apparently Kerry wants to ban Canadian garbage from going to Michigan. It might suck for Toronto since they will have to pay to have it shipped further away, but at the same time, I agree with Kerry and would wish our politicians did the same.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/uselecti.../cdnissues.html

I'll take this one:

a. How can they stop the CBC broadcast signal from entering US airspace? Pretty much impossible

b. How will the Leafs and Red Wings ever have games in Detroit then?


But, on topic: For the US's sake and the rest of the world, Kerry seems like the logical choice.

Under Bush, things can definately be better for Canada w/ our rising dollar (for when I want to visit down south, not nec. for exporting company's), and trade in general can probably be better. God, this election needs to come quick

[HOZ]

Lets look at the contract between the two candidates....

May need to register to read.

John 'Kill'm' Kerry


Now if their foreign policy is that close...hmmm

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by HOZ@Oct 25 2004, 01:33 AM
Lets look at the contract between the two candidates....

May need to register to read.

John 'Kill'm' Kerry


Now if their foreign policy is that close...hmmm

I'm not sure how this relates to the topic.

There is nothing about how either candidate would would influence things in Canada.

[sjwalter]

Fat Chance the border will open if Kerry gets in. At least with Bush we might have a chance. And i heard on a local station that the Democrats in the States are the ones keeping the border closed, especially Tom Dashle.

[Five-hole]

Well, the extremist answer is that Kerry is better for Canada because he has the brains to avert global catastrophe.

Seriously, though, Kerry seems to strongly advocate a slightly more isolationist economic policy. He's stated he wants to give tax breaks to businesses that create jobs for Americans rather than foreigners, and enforce various tariffs and trade laws that would keep more American business in America.

Since something like 70% of our exports go to the US, that would hurt us. However, I like the policy in principle because I'm squarely in opposition to the trend of outsourcing labour to countries with very low labour costs.

One thing I'm very fond of in Kerry's campaign is his goal to give tax breaks for fuel efficient vehicles and so on. That is so dramatically unlike Bush it's as close to diametrically opposed as you can get. (Bush would rather give the tax breaks to the oil corporations.) I'm a major, major fan of this and I hope this kind of thinking becomes more of a trend. Having it come from the President of the wealthiest nation on Earth would certainly help get the ball rolling.

So, no major point to stress here, just some thoughts.

[moon]

foreign Policy goes to Kerry???

Why because we would do better living in a world where terrorists are free to do what they want? Ya that will help us out.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Oct 25 2004, 02:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Oct 25 2004, 02:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HOZ@Oct 25 2004, 01:33 AM
Lets look at the contract between the two candidates....

May need to register to read.

John 'Kill'm' Kerry


Now if their foreign policy is that close...hmmm

I'm not sure how this relates to the topic.

There is nothing about how either candidate would would influence things in Canada. [/b][/quote]
Not sure...ok...how about this article...
Which would you choose if you are an American?

I know Lanny's choice. Thank GOD he comes from Klein's Alberta!!!Canuck delusions

Remembr 1000 in Quebec alone!!!

edited: Fixing spaces so it is legitable

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by Five-hole@Oct 24 2004, 10:58 PM
Well, the extremist answer is that Kerry is better for Canada because he has the brains to avert global catastrophe.

Seriously, though, Kerry seems to strongly advocate a slightly more isolationist economic policy. He's stated he wants to give tax breaks to businesses that create jobs for Americans rather than foreigners, and enforce various tariffs and trade laws that would keep more American business in America.

Since something like 70% of our exports go to the US, that would hurt us. However, I like the policy in principle because I'm squarely in opposition to the trend of outsourcing labour to countries with very low labour costs.

One thing I'm very fond of in Kerry's campaign is his goal to give tax breaks for fuel efficient vehicles and so on. That is so dramatically unlike Bush it's as close to diametrically opposed as you can get. (Bush would rather give the tax breaks to the oil corporations.) I'm a major, major fan of this and I hope this kind of thinking becomes more of a trend. Having it come from the President of the wealthiest nation on Earth would certainly help get the ball rolling.

So, no major point to stress here, just some thoughts.

You're a very big fan of anything that Kerry says right?

If Bush said the same thing you would ridicule it.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Originally posted by sjwalter+Oct 26 2004, 07:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sjwalter @ Oct 26 2004, 07:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Five-hole@Oct 24 2004, 10:58 PM
Well, the extremist answer is that Kerry is better for Canada because he has the brains to avert global catastrophe.

Seriously, though, Kerry seems to strongly advocate a slightly more isolationist economic policy. He's stated he wants to give tax breaks to businesses that create jobs for Americans rather than foreigners, and enforce various tariffs and trade laws that would keep more American business in America.

Since something like 70% of our exports go to the US, that would hurt us. However, I like the policy in principle because I'm squarely in opposition to the trend of outsourcing labour to countries with very low labour costs.

One thing I'm very fond of in Kerry's campaign is his goal to give tax breaks for fuel efficient vehicles and so on. That is so dramatically unlike Bush it's as close to diametrically opposed as you can get. (Bush would rather give the tax breaks to the oil corporations.) I'm a major, major fan of this and I hope this kind of thinking becomes more of a trend. Having it come from the President of the wealthiest nation on Earth would certainly help get the ball rolling.

So, no major point to stress here, just some thoughts.

You're a very big fan of anything that Kerry says right?

If Bush said the same thing you would ridicule it. [/b][/quote]
But Bush wouldn't say the same thing. That's the difference.

Relations with the US would improve with Kerry, I think in the same way that Democrats seem to forge good working realtionships with their Canadian Liberal Party neighbours (Chretien-Clinton were golf buddies, Carter-Trudeau). Conservative PM's always hit it off with the Republican guy (Mulroney and Reagan) so I think the answer to this question is Kerry for that reason.

[Thunderball]

From what I have read, seen and heard... Bush is heads and tails better for this country's economy. Our politicians and a shocking amount of our citizens hate him, but the bottom line is Bush will not damage our economy, nor our policies, so I think Canada should be supporting our man from Texas... we may rue the day if Kerry wins... big time economic protectionist which helps no one.

[calf]

Does anyone know how Kerry's econ/foreign policies compare to what Clinton did? Canada seemed to do pretty damn well with him as President, but I'm wary of the whole "democrats will be better for Canada". Although it's pretty well known that a Liberal gov't with Democratic gov't works pretty well together (same for Conservative/Republican)

[Table 5]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 24 2004, 07:23 PM
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Toronto Garbage:

Goes to Bush. Apparently Kerry wants to ban Canadian garbage from going to Michigan. It might suck for Toronto since they will have to pay to have it shipped further away, but at the same time, I agree with Kerry and would wish our politicians did the same.

Good.

The fact that Toronto is just stipping its head in the sand, and just sending its garbage away is appaling. They had the perfect change to building a state of the art garbage processing plant, and instead chose the absolute worst environmental solution possible.

Kudos to Edmonton on this issue btw, who has just built a world class facility to handle their waste.

[FlamesAddiction]

Vancouver ships their's off to Cache Creek. It's actually a good economic boost for the town. Kerry better make sure that the residents of Michigan are prepared to take an economic hit.

[Flame On]

I've been worried about this more recently too. How he may not be all roses either. But the fact is, Kerry (if he wins) seems more internationalist in foreign policy. He'll want to appear with world heads of state and he'll want some patting on the back too. An endorsement from their closest friends that our relationship is back on track, with a big press bru haha will be good for him. All that spells a degree of leverage. Anyway, even if he's supposed to be more isolationist, how much worse can it be for the beef producers, lumber industry, fisheries, wheat etc. etc.?
Hell if Bush had gone through the UN, we'd probably be in Iraq with a slew of others and our beef would be flowing over their borders, I suspect.

[Kjesse]

Don't just look at Kerry or Bush.... in the Democratic primaries, Edwards made protectionist measures a large part of his platform. If short term Canadian economic interests are your major criteria, you wouldn't want the Kerry/Edwards ticket in. Just wait for the trade disputes to roll in.... you won't see anything as drastic as we have with beef exports (saving another crisis), but you should expect tariffs to increase and import/export issues that will make softwood lumber look like a pre-game warmup.

That's not to say the Bush/Cheney ticket is better for Canada as a whole.

As a Canadian, its a tough choice. Most Americans I speak to.... (and I speak to many highly educated and apparently well-traveled Americans on the phone every week) think Canada would overwhelmingly vote Kerry and are shocked when I tell them otherwise..... how's that for a stereotype?

I'd actually vote Nader if I were down there because politcs in America (and Canada) need a major shake-up. (Notwithstanding that I believe Nader is also protectionist.... at least he could never win.)

[Mike F]

I don't know about Canada, but Bush has been good for the Flames.

Bush seems content to run huge defecits, racking up massive debt, most of which is owed to foreign sources in US $'s.

With that being the case, it's actually better for the US to pay their debt with a cheaper $US, so they make sure it's devalued.

The lower the $US, the more valuable the $Cdn.

The more valuable the $Cdn, the better the Flames bottom line.

Now if only we were playing hockey and hhad to worry about paying salaries

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Delgar@Oct 26 2004, 09:59 PM
Most Americans I speak to.... (and I speak to many highly educated and apparently well-traveled Americans on the phone every week) think Canada would overwhelmingly vote Kerry and are shocked when I tell them otherwise..... how's that for a stereotype?

I think it's been established that Canadians would in fact overwhelmingly vote Kerry, hasn't it?