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Nehkara · 03-12-2007, 06:36 PM

YAY! We have an official release date for Star Trek XI... what a great CHRISTMAS present it will be! Christmas Day 2008 will see the return of Star Trek to the big screen.

Star Trek XI will be a prequel, or a "reimaging" as the writers are calling it, and we will likely see the return of the characters Jame T. Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Dr. McCoy, etc. The movie will be based before the original Star Trek series.

J.J. Abrams will direct and produce Star Trek XI. He is well known for writing, producing, and directing TV series LOST as well as for his work on TV series Alias and the Mission Impossible: III movie.

The movie will actually likely be titled simply "Star Trek", according to the writers (Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman).

Apparently Paramount has opened the vault for this film as well, as the writers have said that this film will have the largest budget and most action of any Star Trek to date.

Rumoured cast:

James T. Kirk - Matt Damon (The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy, Good Will Hunting, The Departed)
Spock - Adrien Brody (King Kong, The Pianist)
Dr. McCoy - Gary Sinise (CSI: NY)
Sulu - Daniel Dae Kim (LOST)
Scotty - Jame McAvoy (Chronicles of Narnia, The Last King of Scotland)

Official Press Release

Interview With Writers

Greg's Preview @ Yahoo

J.J. Abrams Talks About His Decision To Direct

CaptainCrunch · 03-12-2007, 06:48 PM

I've lost hope in Star Trek, with the exception of the original series, and the original movies with the exception of V the whole series has been terrible, and the last movie should have gone direct to video, it was that much of a bomb.

The cast that you've mentioned is indeed rumored but unlikely to be the final one.

I'd love to see it as a good movie, but I don't think its going to work out.

Nehkara · 03-12-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I've lost hope in Star Trek, with the exception of the original series, and the original movies with the exception of V the whole series has been terrible, and the last movie should have gone direct to video, it was that much of a bomb.

The cast that you've mentioned is indeed rumored but unlikely to be the final one.

I'd love to see it as a good movie, but I don't think its going to work out.

Personally my favourite bits of Star Trek were DS9 (my favourite Star Trek series) and First Contact (favourite Star Trek Movie).

I understand the negativity, I was skeptical when I heard about this but I have been gaining hope. With great writers, and J.J. Abrams on board they have a very solid crew behind it. If they get the cast they are looking for, I believe we will have a killer ST movie.

Dion · 03-12-2007, 06:55 PM

Chances are I will go and see it on release. I'm a huge Trekkie fan but have my doubts as to wether this movie will be a hit. You can only reproduce a theme so many times before it gets old - which I believe has already happened.

CaptainCrunch · 03-12-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

Personally my favourite bits of Star Trek were DS9 (my favourite Star Trek series) and First Contact (favourite Star Trek Movie).

I understand the negativity, I was skeptical when I heard about this but I have been gaining hope. With great writers, and J.J. Abrams on board they have a very solid crew behind it. If they get the cast they are looking for, I believe we will have a killer ST movie.

I'm a huge fan of DS9, hated Voyager and its techno babble super clean ship and Enterprise with a stinking passion. I didn't like any of the next gen movies and equivocate them to a cup of Satan's fiery urine after a dinner of Asparages.

But tastes differ.

Barnes · 03-12-2007, 07:06 PM

Mmmmmmm........
Asparagas.......

Looks like a pretty good cast. They fit pretty well with the characters we know.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 03-12-2007, 07:15 PM

Is "Asparagas" the intestinal condition you get from eating Asparagus?

(sorry--born and raised a smart ass!)

I'll probably see this on release too, assuming it makes it that far--next December is lots of time for a film like this to fire its director, hire a new one, bring a new writer on board, lose its studio funding, get funding from a new studio, get bogged down in pre-production and then fall through.

What's the rule on even and odd numbered Star Trek movies?

Nehkara · 03-12-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnes

Mmmmmmm........
Asparagas.......

Looks like a pretty good cast. They fit pretty well with the characters we know.

The cast would be great if they can get them all. Apparently Matt Damon is the most likely at this point.

I also am encouraged that the movie will be free of budget constraints... should let them do some pretty cool stuff. (This was mentioned in the interview with the writers: "Apparently Paramount gave them no stipulations and no limits.")

Hack&Lube · 03-12-2007, 07:50 PM

This movie will only succeed if it avoids every single pathetic Trek cliche and has an outright ban on technobabble.

CaramonLS · 03-12-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm a huge fan of DS9, hated Voyager and its techno babble super clean ship and Enterprise with a stinking passion. I didn't like any of the next gen movies and equivocate them to a cup of Satan's fiery urine after a dinner of Asparages.

But tastes differ.

I actually thought Enterprise was pretty decent. Although not nearly on the same level as TNG.

Nehkara · 03-12-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

This movie will only succeed if it avoids every single pathetic Trek cliche and has an outright ban on technobabble.

I have a feeling you don't belong in this thread... but it is just a feeling.

greerb · 03-12-2007, 08:46 PM

Still not sold on this movie. DS9 was far the greatest series, IMO. And I am som what of a treckie.

edn88 · 03-12-2007, 08:55 PM

I am not a Trekkie, but have been a fan of the Star Trek series since I was a child. I am looking forward to a re-imaging of the original series, with new film technology, modern actors and writers who can have some perspective on the series.

What makes Star Trek enjoyable for me, is the exploration of the unknown and the optimisim that humanity can live in a scientific utopia of sorts.

icecube · 03-12-2007, 09:06 PM

"Ah yes, it's a lot like "Star Trek: The Next Generation". In many ways it's superior, but will never be as recognized as the original." - Wayne Campbell

icarus · 03-12-2007, 09:30 PM

I hope Beyonce plays Uhura!

Hack&Lube · 03-13-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

I have a feeling you don't belong in this thread... but it is just a feeling.

The power of trek is in the storytelling and triumvirate of characters who are both friends and comrades standing up against kobayashi maru odds. Not the continuity of silly Trek cliche storylines or the technobabble that Trekkies so hold dear.

The space opera is about how human tenacity manages to eke out moral victory on the dangerous frontiers of space...ala Kirk Diplomacy.

Not how an engineer re-energizes the warp coils with a trans-poly-duotronic inhibitor while number 1 is busy saving the ship on the Holodeck and everybody beams out just in time to avoid the massive polarizing time dilation effect just in time for the Captain to make a speech about the Prime Directive as they send an inverted tachyon beam from the main deflector to just reset the show in the end.

Berman and Brannon Braga destroyed the Trek franchise with recycled plots, recycled technology, and recycled cliches. Enterprise was just Voyager in sheep's clothing. All the things they claimed about starting anew were quickly wiped away in 3 episodes. The phase-pistols suddenly became phasers by the end of the first episode. The shields were renamed "polarize the hull plating". Even the much vaunted lack of transporting to save the day was completely obliterated as they introduced the transporter within 3 episodes. Then Archer goes onto make the lamest speech in history "one day, there will be a directive, a Prime directive...". Trek should not be about name-dropping cliches, fan-service (via steamy decontamination) or technobabble deux ex-machinas.

I'm all for an absolute re-boot if neccessary to clean Trek of the dead waste that litters every incarnation of it touched by Berman and Braga. Fortuantely for DS9, Berman abandoned that to Ira Stephen Behr to work on Voyager so Behr had a clean slate to do whatever he wanted to do with DS9 and he created a good product. The first good product in years.

If you watch the original Trek, you see what a different beast it actually it. It has high aims and the solutions are human ones, not technologically based. As Gene Roddenberry originally pitched it, it was "Horatio Hornblower in Space". Now if you don't know what Horatio Hornblower is, I suggest you go track down some of the books about Hornblower or check out the great A&E miniseries staring Ioen Gruffuld (Mr. Fantastic from F4). In many ways, Master and Commander with Russel Crowe was based on literature of the same vein and era as Horatio Hornblower.

In fact, if you look at Master and Commander, it's very much Star Trek with Crowe and Bellamy basically taking on the Kirk and Spock roles. Star Trek needs to aim for that kind of story and legacy. Not the crap Paramount has put out with Berman at the helm for years.

liamenator · 03-13-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by icarus

I hope Beyonce plays Uhura!

Nehkara · 03-13-2007, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by icarus

I hope Beyonce plays Uhura!

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Originally Posted by liamenator

Amen to that... the scary thing is that it occurred to me too.

Teh_Bandwagoner · 03-13-2007, 02:43 PM

You know, I really enjoyed the final few episodes of Enterprise. They were actually pretty nostalgic. Nothing like scantily-clad green female aliens using their pheramones to seduce the crew.

Generations was kinda bland and I really didn't like Nemesis, but I agree that First Contact was a wicked ST movie. Patrick Stewart's classical training really stood out to me in that one. That one and Voyage Home are my favs.

In any case, I have high hopes for this movie and Iwill watch it, probably not on release day (I hate watching things on release day) but likely that weekend.

CaptainCrunch · 03-13-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The power of trek is in the storytelling and triumvirate of characters who are both friends and comrades standing up against kobayashi maru odds. Not the continuity of silly Trek cliche storylines or the technobabble that Trekkies so hold dear.

The space opera is about how human tenacity manages to eke out moral victory on the dangerous frontiers of space...ala Kirk Diplomacy.

Not how an engineer re-energizes the warp coils with a trans-poly-duotronic inhibitor while number 1 is busy saving the ship on the Holodeck and everybody beams out just in time to avoid the massive polarizing time dilation effect just in time for the Captain to make a speech about the Prime Directive as they send an inverted tachyon beam from the main deflector to just reset the show in the end.

Berman and Brannon Braga destroyed the Trek franchise with recycled plots, recycled technology, and recycled cliches. Enterprise was just Voyager in sheep's clothing. All the things they claimed about starting anew were quickly wiped away in 3 episodes. The phase-pistols suddenly became phasers by the end of the first episode. The shields were renamed "polarize the hull plating". Even the much vaunted lack of transporting to save the day was completely obliterated as they introduced the transporter within 3 episodes. Then Archer goes onto make the lamest speech in history "one day, there will be a directive, a Prime directive...". Trek should not be about name-dropping cliches, fan-service (via steamy decontamination) or technobabble deux ex-machinas.

I'm all for an absolute re-boot if neccessary to clean Trek of the dead waste that litters every incarnation of it touched by Berman and Braga. Fortuantely for DS9, Berman abandoned that to Ira Stephen Behr to work on Voyager so Behr had a clean slate to do whatever he wanted to do with DS9 and he created a good product. The first good product in years.

If you watch the original Trek, you see what a different beast it actually it. It has high aims and the solutions are human ones, not technologically based. As Gene Roddenberry originally pitched it, it was "Horatio Hornblower in Space". Now if you don't know what Horatio Hornblower is, I suggest you go track down some of the books about Hornblower or check out the great A&E miniseries staring Ioen Gruffuld (Mr. Fantastic from F4). In many ways, Master and Commander with Russel Crowe was based on literature of the same vein and era as Horatio Hornblower.

In fact, if you look at Master and Commander, it's very much Star Trek with Crowe and Bellamy basically taking on the Kirk and Spock roles. Star Trek needs to aim for that kind of story and legacy. Not the crap Paramount has put out with Berman at the helm for years.

this has got to be one of the greatest Star Trek descriptions that tells everyone what went wrong with the series that I've seen in my entire life.

Now if someone could beam this into paramount . . .