Huge debate on the junior boards over this penalty shot call in overtime last night.
Also what would your call be from the angle the referee would have had?
My thoughts posted in white below:
Chris Culligan lost stride with his left foot when he went to shoot the puck, causing him to fall. However as he fell the Val d'Or defenseman gave him a two handed slash (not vicious McLennan-esque but a slash none-the-less) across the chest. That's when the referee's arm went up.
Now did that warrant a penalty shot? Maybe/maybe not, I didn't really thinkso at the time, but earlier in the game a clear penalty shot was simply given 2 minutes for tripping so a makeup call perhaps? Is OT the time to be giving makeups?
As for the angle the referee had I think that he made a decent call, he was slightly behind play, could have looked like the slash was a determining factor in Culligan's break(away/out) miss so the penalty call was justified IMO, and penalty shot could have gone either way.
But I wanted some other's opinions if I could.
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It was the right call. He had a breakaway and the stick was put on him. Whether this caused him to slip or not doesn't matter. The stick was there and he didn't get off a shot. Based on how they are now calling penalty shots - right call.
It actually looks to me like his right leg buckles (which causes the left to go down, seeing as how they are attached at the waist), and that he may have gone down because of the first slash by the player on his right side. On that basis, then I think it was absolutely the correct call.
What's the link to the jr forum you are discussing this on? I would be curious to see the debate.
I agree with Jiri. No question the way they've called things this year, but even by the rulebook, a scoring opportunity was taken away, so a penalty shot should be called to restore it.
I don't think the Cleary call was right, because he still got a good scoring opportunity on the play, but this one clearly was, IMO.
i think it was a botched call...looked to me like the guy was already going down before the stick touched him. from the ref's view, it probably looked like the white guy...whoever he was....was taken down by the far dark guy...it happened so fast, it'd be a tough call to make, and either way you're gonna have a team pissed at you. being as it's overtime though, if it was close, i'd have to say i wouldn't call it...maybe in the first or second...even part way through the third. but definetly not ot
i think it was a botched call...looked to me like the guy was already going down before the stick touched him. from the ref's view, it probably looked like the white guy...whoever he was....was taken down by the far dark guy...it happened so fast, it'd be a tough call to make, and either way you're gonna have a team pissed at you. being as it's overtime though, if it was close, i'd have to say i wouldn't call it...maybe in the first or second...even part way through the third. but definetly not ot
I can definately see that, and would agree. However earlier in the game there was a botched penalty shot non-call. Does that change things?
(again I'm playing devil's advocate here)
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mmm....it might affect me a little bit, if it was a pretty flagrant foul that i missed...but you can't be affected by the calls or non-calls you made earlier. being as it's in ot though i'd have to say i still wouldn't call it
oh, and was this playoffs in the Q? sorry, i don't watch the french folk play too often....
PS--if it was playoffs, there's no way in hell i'm calling a penalty shot in ot, especially if it's a deciding game. well...maybe i would if i had effed the team getting the shot over earlier...i suppose you can discern from my fence sitting that it could go either way...there'd be so many extenuating circumstances that it's impossible to decide either way really
Berger_4_ I can so respect your answer as you obviously don't know what you'd actually do. Which means you can't say for sure right call or wrong call.
As for the Q-league playoffs
Lewiston MAINEicas are in the final, and are awaiting the victor of the Cape Breton-Val d'Or series. If Cape Breton wins (currently up 3-2 but with the final two games of the best of 7 in Val d'Or) then it's the first time in league history the finals will be two non-Quebec based teams.
being as it's a decision that would give cape breton the chance to clinch the series on a penalty shot, i'd have to say no call...for sure...final answer
From the referee's perspective (at the side of the three players) it appears it would be the right call; one of the players was blocking so he didn't have the best view, and he ended up seeing the player go down and throw his hand up.
This reminds me - speaking about calls leading to penalty shots - how about the Cleary penalty shot in game 5? I seem to recall talk in a previous game stating how a penalty shot could not be called if the player got a shot away, and Cleary got the shot away. (I realize this is old news, I just haven't had the chance to bring it up).
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being as it's a decision that would give cape breton the chance to clinch the series on a penalty shot, i'd have to say no call...for sure...final answer
Well it made the series 2-1, unless you mean that every win in the playoffs give you a chance to clinch a series.
Interesting tough
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It looks to me like the player in white falls because the the player farthest from the official pushes his stick into the right knee of the player in white causing it to buckle, therefore should have been a penalty shot.
However, from the officials angle I do not think he could have seen that and based on that assumption in addition to the circumstances of the game/period/potential outcome I would not have called that.
Either way that is a very very difficult position to be in, kinda feel sympathetic towards the official in this case because like Berger_4_ said earlier, no matter what call you make you are going to get grilled for it.
Is This The Proper Call?
