A Brown Christmas?

[RedHot25]

So I don't know if Calgary has snow on the ground now or not, but being where I am,....its brown. And mostly dry, except for the occassional dump of rain. So are we going to see a brown Christmas?

This story seems to imply as such...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

I found this part kind of interesting:
The probability of seeing a White Christmas in the 1960s was:

• Calgary: 73 per cent
• Charlottetown: 93 per cent
• Edmonton 100 per cent
• Toronto: 60 per cent
• Montreal: 80 per cent

But the chances have dropped across the board, and in the past decade the probabilities are:

• Calgary: 47 per cent
• Charlottetown: 67 per cent
• Edmonton: 73 per cent
• Toronto: 33 per cent
• Montreal: 67 per cent

[kipperfan]

I am surprised the Toronto stat isnt even lower. We have had one day where it snowed so far, and that was on the ground for all of 8 hours and then it was melted on gone.

That is insane...8 hours of having snow on the ground so far this year and its almost christmas.

[looooob]

how do you get 73% for a decade?

[Burninator]

And who doesn't believe global warming is happening?

[Gugstanley]

Come on down we got plenty of snow for everyone this weekend

[Flames_Gimp]

forcast looks good here...probably will be a brown xmas

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Burninator

And who doesn't believe global warming is happening?

I dont think anyone is denying the fact that the average temperatures are going up around the world, stats prove that as fact. The argument some offer is that the upswing in the temperatures is merely a climate trend similar to an ice age, that has nothing to do with greenhouse gases or the hole in the ozone layer.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Burninator

And who doesn't believe global warming is happening?

I'm with Burninator. I suggest we all use statistics provided without explanation, from areas that have undergone rapid urbanization in the last 50 years, to draw conclusions about the global climate.
[/sarcasm]

I won't deny the global average temperature is increasing. All I ask is that people stop playing "climatologist" every time there's a friggin' weather report, without the slightest clue of what they're talking about.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

I'm with Burninator. I suggest we all use statistics provided without explanation, from areas that have undergone rapid urbanization in the last 50 years, to draw conclusions about the global climate.
[/sarcasm]

I won't deny the global average temperature is increasing. All I ask is that people stop playing "climatologist" every time there's a friggin' weather report, without the slightest clue of what they're talking about.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science....ap/index.html

Africa's 3 highest peaks to loose all ice sometime in the next 2 to 5 decades

Almost every one of more than 300 large glaciers studied worldwide is in retreat

Environmentalist: Glacier loss will gravely impact people, wildlife

[Cube Inmate]

^^^^
What's your point?

[Barnes]

The point is, it doesn't take a lot of knowledge in climatology to see that it doesn't snow as much as it used to.

[Eagle Eye]

Just checked out weather canada and since 2002 calgary has had brown christmas every year (snow on ground was 0 cm)

Also since 1999 every christmas has had a high greater than 4 degrees (2001 had a high of -1.7). Last year the temperature on Christmas day was 14.7 and a low of -1.9

[worth]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I dont think anyone is denying the fact that the average temperatures are going up around the world, stats prove that as fact. The argument some offer is that the upswing in the temperatures is merely a climate trend similar to an ice age, that has nothing to do with greenhouse gases or the hole in the ozone layer.

Dead on.

The question ins't whether it's hapening or not, it's what is causing it is what people are debating.

If there's less snow on the gournd or its warmer, so what? That does nothing to prove that humans are responsible for for the change in temperature.

[Cube Inmate]

I will accept Burninator's conclusion that global warming is fact, if anyone can answer the following questions based solely on the CTV article that started this thread:

a) How was the probability of a "White Christmas" calculated for the decade 1960-1969?
b) Which of the following factors contributes to the lower probability of snow cover on December 25: (i) less snowfall, or (ii) faster snow melt?
c) Over what time period is "global warming" calculated: 1 year, 5 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years, or 1 million years?
d) What is the probability of a "White Christmas" in the capital city of the Falklands Islands?
e) How does urbanization impact average snow depth?

I have no doubt that there are people who can answer these questions. These people are called "climatologists," and they attempt to draw conclusions based on extensive research...not a seasonal article providing sketchy statistics with no background information. Too many people are doing the latter, which is leading to the climate-change hysteria, instead of a reasoned approach based on facts--both environmental and economic.

The article troutman presented is presenting the opinion of actual scientists that warmer global temperatures are leading to a loss of glaciers worldwide. This is in stark contrast to (for example) a hypothetical article that cites the recession of the Athabasca glacier as due to global warming.

If you don't get the difference, that's my problem...because the hysteria will cause our tax dollars to be sent overseas to tin-pot dictatorships to buy emissions "credits," instead of having those dollars spent on emissions-reducing technologies right here at home.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

I'm with Burninator. I suggest we all use statistics provided without explanation, from areas that have undergone rapid urbanization in the last 50 years, to draw conclusions about the global climate.
[/sarcasm]

I won't deny the global average temperature is increasing. All I ask is that people stop playing "climatologist" every time there's a friggin' weather report, without the slightest clue of what they're talking about.

Whoa let's all dog pile on Burninator here for his one tongue in cheek sentence.

Who said I don't know what I'm talking about it? I never claimed to be an expert, but I haven't based what I know from a CTV article either. I have read books on global warming, and they tend to lean far away from the theory of natural "global climate change." I haven't read anything on this theory that is in favour of it. But I am more than willing to entertain other theories.

I am just recently getting into this whole "global warming" thang. So I am still reading up on it. But don't label me a doomsday global warming activist. I don't think the sky is falling. But I do think lots of people are misinformed about global warming. The media is generally a poor source as journalists mistake themselves for scientists.

[SpitFire40]

I honestly can't remember a true white Christmas in Calgary... and it sucks. I guess 3 years ago somewhat...

Now's the time of year where it'll stay brown until February and then snow like hell in March.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

I honestly can't remember a true white Christmas in Calgary... and it sucks. I guess 3 years ago somewhat...

It sucks

Now's the time of year where it'll stay brown until February and then snow like hell in March.

get outta here you dirty Snow lover!

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

I honestly can't remember a true white Christmas in Calgary... and it sucks. I guess 3 years ago somewhat...

Now's the time of year where it'll stay brown until February and then snow like hell in March.

and continue into April and spring will get compressed to 2 weeks at the beginning of May.

[SpitFire40]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

get outta here you dirty Snow lover!

Nothing is better than a nice snowy evening, especially during Christmas

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I dont think anyone is denying the fact that the average temperatures are going up around the world, stats prove that as fact. The argument some offer is that the upswing in the temperatures is merely a climate trend similar to an ice age, that has nothing to do with greenhouse gases or the hole in the ozone layer.

The fact that there has been such extreme climate change in 40, as opposed to HUNDREDS or THOUSAND, of years, should clue people in that maybe humans have a part to play. Hell, Calgary's winters are different than a mere decade ago!

But no, let's keep sticking our heads in the sand a little longer....