12-18-2006, 12:19 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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NFL coach of the year?
Some nominees...
Eric Mangini
Sean Payton
Brian Billick
Mike Nolan
Jeff Fisher
Thoughts?
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I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
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12-18-2006, 12:29 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Finalists: Mangini, Payton, Fischer. Winner: Sean Payton, end of discussion.
Mangini has had similar success as Payton: 1st year head coach takes a downtrodden team into the playoff race. But Payton's story has been more impressive. 32 new players, 12 new starters. Turns 29th ranked offence in league to 1st offence in league in one year. 3-13(2nd worst record in NFL) to division champions in one year. And most importantly: delivering a winner to New Orleans when they needed it most.
No way Payton doesnt win this award. Absolutely no way.
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12-18-2006, 12:34 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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I think the finalists will be Mangini, Payton and Billick....but like Sainters said, there is no way Payton doesn't win the award.
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12-18-2006, 04:42 AM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Calgary
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It will probably be Payton. What about Lovie Smith?
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12-18-2006, 07:22 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Strathmore
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Payton hands down, I don't even think it will be a close vote.
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12-18-2006, 07:58 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Remember the Saints last year?
Peyton by a mile.
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12-18-2006, 09:19 AM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Yeah, Sean Peyton takes it. The other guys maybe get a free dinner.
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Patriots QB Tom Brady
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12-18-2006, 09:57 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
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Jeff Fisher. He took a team that wasn't expected to do anything, and got them to believe in themselves. They have went from the laughing stock of the league to respectable through the course of the season. While playing a rookie QB to boot.
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12-18-2006, 12:07 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Question: How bad were the Saints last year?
I know their record and everything, but without having a stadium to play or practice in, with everything going on in NO, these are just a couple of things that had to contribute to the poor showing of the '05 Saints.
This season they have stability and they have Brees, Colston and Bush. These are huge factors, and I'm not sure how much of the Saints turnaround can be attributed to these factors vs Sean Payton. How much input did Payton have on those draft signings? (I can't recall the timeline of when he was hired).
I don't want to diminish the results of Payton or the Saints, but I'm not sure, if you only look at coaching, if Payton has done a better job than some of those other guys.
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12-18-2006, 12:14 PM
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Question: How bad were the Saints last year?
I know their record and everything, but without having a stadium to play or practice in, with everything going on in NO, these are just a couple of things that had to contribute to the poor showing of the '05 Saints.
This season they have stability and they have Brees, Colston and Bush. These are huge factors, and I'm not sure how much of the Saints turnaround can be attributed to these factors vs Sean Payton. How much input did Payton have on those draft signings? (I can't recall the timeline of when he was hired).
I don't want to diminish the results of Payton or the Saints, but I'm not sure, if you only look at coaching, if Payton has done a better job than some of those other guys.
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Payton gave Brees a tour of the city if I recall, so he was there.
It is Payton, hands down, case closed.
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12-18-2006, 12:22 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
Payton gave Brees a tour of the city if I recall, so he was there.
It is Payton, hands down, case closed.
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That's right, and they got lost. I do recall hearing that story.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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12-18-2006, 12:22 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
Payton gave Brees a tour of the city if I recall, so he was there.
It is Payton, hands down, case closed.
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One could argue that anybody could have come in and improved the Saints record over last season. Not many teams would thrive in the situation the Saints were in last season.
How much of the Saints resurgance is from Payton? And how much is from improved personal? They are all factors of course. But which is bigger?
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12-18-2006, 01:05 PM
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First Line Centre
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Funny how nobody mentions Marty Schotenheimer... San diego was supposed to struggle this year, but because they win, everyone gives credit to L.T only... I agree payton is a good choice, but Marty should be mentioned
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12-18-2006, 01:25 PM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk diggler
Funny how nobody mentions Marty Schotenheimer... San diego was supposed to struggle this year, but because they win, everyone gives credit to L.T only... I agree payton is a good choice, but Marty should be mentioned
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Well I'll give Schottenheimer a bit of credit for abandoning Marty ball after that loss to Baltimore. But his team had pretty good personell coming into this season. The only reason people thought they might struggle was because they had to go with an unknown at QB. Still no one figured they'd be a 5-11 team or anything like that. Most figured they'd be second in the division and in contention for a playoff birth. Still the Chargers have overcome some tough injuries/suspensions to their defence, and Marty appears to have finally realized the Cam Carson should be trusted to call plays for the entire game. This might be the best job he's ever done coaching a team.
I still think Sean Payton is the winner, and that Jeff Fisher is making a big push. They have the turn around factor working more in their favor, and thats always big in a coach of the year vote.
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12-18-2006, 01:39 PM
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First Line Centre
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Sean Payton please step up and accept your award. He is to Saints fans what Darryl is to Flames fans.
Last edited by Saint Troy; 12-18-2006 at 01:45 PM.
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12-18-2006, 01:45 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
One could argue that anybody could have come in and improved the Saints record over last season. Not many teams would thrive in the situation the Saints were in last season.
How much of the Saints resurgance is from Payton? And how much is from improved personal? They are all factors of course. But which is bigger?
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The improved personel is due to Payton for the most part. He had a huge hand in getting Fujita, Shanle, Copper(all ex-cowboys), and cutting or trading away dead weight by having the most brutal training camp in the league. Payton is all about what players bring to the field, not what your draft status was, eg. Marques Colston, most teams wouldn't have given him any reps in mini or training camps due to his draft status. Payton recognized his talent and work effort was better than former first rounder Dante Stallworth and moved Dante out, most coaches wouldn't have the balls to do so.
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12-18-2006, 03:21 PM
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Future NHL GM
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Sean Payton and it isn't even close.
Fisher, as always is finding a way to win too.
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12-18-2006, 04:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
One could argue that anybody could have come in and improved the Saints record over last season. Not many teams would thrive in the situation the Saints were in last season.
How much of the Saints resurgance is from Payton? And how much is from improved personal? They are all factors of course. But which is bigger?
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...all of which were brought in by Payton. Payton scouted and went after Drew Brees. Payton took Reggie Bush in the draft(I know it was a gift by Houston. But Im doubtful Haslett wouldve taken Bush at the #2 spot). Payton changed the dynamic in the locker room, by making tough calls when he outed some big Saints playmakers(Donte Stallworth, Aaron Brooks, Dwight Smith), because he values character over athleticism. The guy brought in 32 new players, 12 new starters. And youre seeing the result. Definitely alot of it has to do with improved personnel...but even in that situation, you still have to credit Payton. He made those moves as well.
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12-18-2006, 04:30 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sainters7
...all of which were brought in by Payton. Payton scouted and went after Drew Brees. Payton took Reggie Bush in the draft(I know it was a gift by Houston. But Im doubtful Haslett wouldve taken Bush at the #2 spot). Payton changed the dynamic in the locker room, by making tough calls when he outed some big Saints playmakers(Donte Stallworth, Aaron Brooks, Dwight Smith), because he values character over athleticism. The guy brought in 32 new players, 12 new starters. And youre seeing the result. Definitely alot of it has to do with improved personnel...but even in that situation, you still have to credit Payton. He made those moves as well.
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Is he the GM as well?
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12-18-2006, 05:53 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
Is he the GM as well?
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No Mickey Loomis is. But Payton cuts who he wants from the roster. And Loomis has said that Payton wanted Brees.
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