Even God fearin' Texans bailing on Bush

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Saw this linked on another board. The site is cheesy but the message is pretty well stated.

Jesus was a Liberal

[troutman]

I never quite understood why religious conservatives aligned themselves with the Republicans. Seems to me the Christian faith is about charity and helping those less fortunate. Republican economic philosophy is ëveryone for themself". It is the social progressive philosophy of the Liberals that they don't like I guess, but I thought Jesus was all about tolerance, forgiveness and loving thy neighbour.

http://www.right-wing-pseudo-christians.co...onservative.htm

Conservative Christians certainly would not think that Jesus would be a liberal, yet -- as with most things -- they are wrong.

To hear the conservative pseudo-Christians, the Messiah's real name must have been Jesus “Adam Smith” Christ. Could someone please tell me where Jesus extols the effectiveness – let alone the morality -- of trickle-down economics? Or the genius of the "free market"? Or where Jesus indicates even in the slightest way that the Matthew 25 suffering "least of these" should not be helped?


The average liberal, at least in his or her concern that the world's goods be distributed equitably and that the suffering "least of these" be helped, seems a lot closer to the words of Jesus, the entire Bible, and Church social doctrine than does the blind, idol-level market-worship of conservative pseudo-Christians.

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/

We created this website because we believe the historical, Biblically documented teachings of
Jesus Christ clearly show that Jesus is a Liberal. His philosophy, based in compassion,
equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance, peace and - most importantly - love, is 100% Liberal

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 10 2004, 01:13 AM
Saw this linked on another board. The site is cheesy but the message is pretty well stated.

Jesus was a Liberal

That was actually last week's news. Here's this week's news and the repercussions at the same paper.

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Ed...editorial40.htm

Cowperson

[Bingo]

Originally posted by troutman@Oct 9 2004, 08:18 PM
I never quite understood why religious conservatives aligned themselves with the Republicans. Seems to me the Christian faith is about charity and helping those less fortunate. Republican economic philosophy is ëveryone for themself". It is the social progressive philosophy of the Liberals that they don't like I guess, but I thought Jesus was all about tolerance, forgiveness and loving thy neighbour.

Just so I'm clear ...

Are you suggesting to be a repubican or a conservative means you ...

a- don't believe in charity
b- don't help the less fortunate
c- are intolerant
d- and can't stand they neighbour?

Don't you think you're generalizing a little bit?

It's like stating the loony left of Democrats or Liberals as the very platform of left leaning parties.

Just silly.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Fire and brimstone troutman, fire and brimstone.

The bible-belt protestant churches have preached with that method for decades and the result is people who have a very limited interpretation of the bible and who feel at ease being self-righteous bigots.

[troutman]

Originally posted by Bingo+Oct 10 2004, 02:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bingo @ Oct 10 2004, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-troutman@Oct 9 2004, 08:18 PM
I never quite understood why religious conservatives aligned themselves with the Republicans. Seems to me the Christian faith is about charity and helping those less fortunate. Republican economic philosophy is ëveryone for themself". It is the social progressive philosophy of the Liberals that they don't like I guess, but I thought Jesus was all about tolerance, forgiveness and loving thy neighbour.

Just so I'm clear ...

Are you suggesting to be a repubican or a conservative means you ...

a- don't believe in charity
b- don't help the less fortunate
c- are intolerant
d- and can't stand they neighbour?

Don't you think you're generalizing a little bit?

It's like stating the loony left of Democrats or Liberals as the very platform of left leaning parties.

Just silly. [/b][/quote]
Liberal economic policy is more about charity than conservative economic policy (higher taxes, redistributed as social assistance, more government involvement). I'm not saying conservatives can't be any of these things, just that liberal policy seems more consistent with Christian philosophy.

I'm not making personal characterizations. Lanny has asked to us think about whether Jesus was a liberal, and I always thought of it that way. Personally, I am a Humanist, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Trout there are different ways of helping people other than merely handing out money.For instance, does is really do anyone any good to have individuals living on (and abusing) the welfare system in our nation. No in fact I would say that these people are often times not only harming others in terms of using resources that they really don't need to use. If an individual can't help themselves due to a mental or physical ailment, then so be it I have no problem with my tax dollars going towards them. However spending money on the people who just is to lazy to get a job, and there are quite a few people like that, I don't think that really helps them, in fact it may just allow them to rely on the system instead of helping themselves, and thus at least in my humble view act in a manner that actually harms the individual who is getting "helped".

Also I am right wing or at least I would like to think so, but when does that mean that I hate my neighbor, or anyone for that matter (intollerant). There are some situations I would like to not be a part of, and all that stuff, but this right wing = bigot or intolerant), has somewhat gotten to me.

There is no real logic to back that up, for a great number of people I know that vote NDP, or Liberal in the Federal Elections but you know what, they are intolerant pricks. But I don't go and think well I guess everyone who is left wing or leans left wing is a bigot, or doesn't tolerate others, as I know it is more of a personal thing than anything else. A-holes come in every shape, size, colour, etc, etc, and that in fact includes political beliefs.

Forgivness? Huh? When does being right wing mean that you don't forgive people. And you know what there are some people that I don't care about, let god forgive them, because I am not prepared to forgive them, and what they have done. There is no way in hell I am prepared to forgive rapists, murderers, cop killers, pedophiles, or people of their ilk. Explain to me how that makes me a worse person, if we take into account that Jesus is perfect and is able to forgive others.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Oct 9 2004, 09:04 PM
And you know what there are some people that I don't care about

Good point. Jesus couldn't have said it better himself.

I'm wondering, as you bask in the glory of the true message, what you think of homosexuals, prostitutes and drug users, Mr. Mustard.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Homosexuals - Don't have a problem with them.
Prostitutes - In general they have been placed in a bad situation since birth and I think that every method possible should be used to help them get off the streets and away from the pimps who should be in jail (those are the people I don't give a damn about)
Drug Users - Services should be made available to help them kick the habit. In fact I am in favor of manditory drug treatment in prisons. Methadone clinics should be set up to help them get off drugs. I know some people are beyond hope, but I feel as though the great majority of them can be helped.

The things some people have done are so sick and dispicable that I don't see why I should give them the time of day.

Answer me this why should I give a damn about Paul Bernardo, or Clifford Olson. Scum like that are sub-human in my opinion, somewhere between a cockroach, and that stuff you cough up when you have a bad cold.

[RougeUnderoos]

You rant and rave about how you can be both a Christian and right-wing at the same time, all the while saying "poor people are lazy", "there are some people I don't care about" and "I know some people are beyond hope".

I'm no theologian or Christian, but it's pretty obvious to me that you have missed the message.

And yes, I know it's not Christian of me to say so, but this paragraph of yours...

Also I am right wing or at least I would like to think so, but when does that mean that I hate my neighbor, or anyone for that matter (intollerant). There are some situations I would like to not be a part of, and all that stuff, but this right wing = bigor, has somewhat gotten to me. There is no real logic to back that up for a great number of people. I know some people that vote NDP, or Liberal in the Federal Elections but you know what, they are intollent pricks. I don't think, damn bigots.

is really quite confusing. You just gotta fix that up man.