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HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 07:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayvrq...elated&search=

For some reason, a guy is asked to leave the library by UCLA police and in the process is tased by the campus police.

My issue with it though is that the police repeatedly ask the guy to "stand up" after being tased, and when he fails to do so, tases him again... and again...

HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 08:03 PM

Found a link online to a newstory:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...ck=1&cset=true

Turns out the student was tased five times... not sure why they couldn't have just cuffed him after the first tase...

skins · 11-21-2006, 08:48 PM

why didn't they just pick him, instead of just yelling stand up, over and over again?

also, why didn't that guy just stand up?

Jayems · 11-21-2006, 08:49 PM

Didn't you know he was only tazered because he was Iranian?

HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skins

why didn't they just pick him, instead of just yelling stand up, over and over again?

also, why didn't that guy just stand up?

Isn't the point of a tazer to immobilize the individual? That's what I thought anyways... which is why I don't understand why they kept yelling at him to "stand up" after tasing him, which should leave him immobilized...

And even if it doesn't immobilize the person, I would think the proper thing to do then would be to cuff him, pick him up and lead him outside as opposed to tasing him four additional times.

Winsor_Pilates · 11-21-2006, 09:06 PM

Pretty obsessive use of the taser there.
From what I've read the student claimed he had a medical condition when they asked him to get up and then starting saying something like, "here's your partiot act"

skins · 11-21-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Isn't the point of a tazer to immobilize the individual? That's what I thought anyways... which is why I don't understand why they kept yelling at him to "stand up" after tasing him, which should leave him immobilized...

i don't think they were yelling get up immediately after tasing him. it was more like a minute or so after, which is enough time for him to collect himself and standup, since the the cops were pulling up on him.

but the best thing would have been to cuff him and carry him out.

HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skins

i don't think they were yelling get up immediately after tasing him. it was more like a minute or so after, which is enough time for him to collect himself and standup, since the the cops were pulling up on him.

but the best thing would have been to cuff him and carry him out.

You can hear his screaming suddenly get a whole lot louder at about the 30 second mark, which is when I'm assuming he got tazed... and then at the 31 second mark, you hear someone asking him to stand up...

BlackArcher101 · 11-21-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Isn't the point of a tazer to immobilize the individual? That's what I thought anyways... which is why I don't understand why they kept yelling at him to "stand up" after tasing him, which should leave him immobilized...

You are able to walk within seconds (perhaps 10-15) after the voltage shuts off. It only immobolizes you while you are being shocked.

To sum up this thread before it starts (from other boards)
1. Blah blah... typical abuse of power... blah blah
2. The kid should have stood up.
3. The kid couldn't stand up.
4. They should have given their badge numbers, again abuse of power.
5. Why didn't they pick him up.
6. It's clearly racial discrimination.
7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

There, I saved us a good 5 days of arguing.

MarchHare · 11-21-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You are able to walk within seconds (perhaps 10-15) after the voltage shuts off. It only immobolizes you while you are being shocked.

To sum up this thread before it starts (from other boards)
1. Blah blah... typical abuse of power... blah blah
2. The kid should have stood up.
3. The kid couldn't stand up.
4. They should have given their badge numbers, again abuse of power.
5. Why didn't they pick him up.
6. It's clearly racial discrimination.
7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

There, I saved us a good 5 days of arguing.

LOL, so true! I've seen this topic discussed on at least two other forums, both times following your script almost to the letter.

Winsor_Pilates · 11-21-2006, 09:55 PM

Yeah agreed. I was surprised it hadn't surfaced on CP sooner.
This story is getting crazy attention on many other boards

Igottago · 11-21-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You are able to walk within seconds (perhaps 10-15) after the voltage shuts off. It only immobolizes you while you are being shocked.

To sum up this thread before it starts (from other boards)
1. Blah blah... typical abuse of power... blah blah
2. The kid should have stood up.
3. The kid couldn't stand up.
4. They should have given their badge numbers, again abuse of power.
5. Why didn't they pick him up.
6. It's clearly racial discrimination.
7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

There, I saved us a good 5 days of arguing.

How about #8...those campus cop pricks deserve a brick in the face. That was disgusting. I don't see any possible reason that they had to use that much force. If he's not standing up, drag his ass out.

HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You are able to walk within seconds (perhaps 10-15) after the voltage shuts off. It only immobolizes you while you are being shocked.

Interesting... didn't know that... but good to know... still don't think the multiple shocks were necessary though... do you?

BlackArcher101 · 11-21-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Interesting... didn't know that... but good to know... still don't think the multiple shocks were necessary though... do you?

I do. He clearly had time to follow direction, but chose to ignore them. It's the same situation where the woman in a vehicle was pulled over, but wouldn't get out of the vehicle. After giving mulitiple warnings, she was tasered to get her out of the vehicle. She then wouldn't comply with the cops once on the ground, so she got tasered again. Finally complied after that.

Bottom line... it's hard to say exactly what went on since we didn't see the events leading up to this video or what was said between the student and cops.

skins · 11-21-2006, 10:37 PM

the guy was definately a stubborn S.O.B. and was trying to prove a point.

that, or he did something really wrong and didn't want to get arrested, so maybe he deserved it.

HelloHockeyFans · 11-21-2006, 10:37 PM

Well from my view of the video, I didn't think it was clear that he could have avoided the multiple shocks...

From the article I posted:

UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.

Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.

Seems there were some witnesses who would disagree with the opinion that he clearly had ample opportunity to avoid what happened.

Igottago · 11-21-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I do. He clearly had time to follow direction, but chose to ignore them. It's the same situation where the woman in a vehicle was pulled over, but wouldn't get out of the vehicle. After giving mulitiple warnings, she was tasered to get her out of the vehicle. She then wouldn't comply with the cops once on the ground, so she got tasered again. Finally complied after that.

Bottom line... it's hard to say exactly what went on since we didn't see the events leading up to this video or what was said between the student and cops.

So what if we didn't see the events? THe only way I could understand their actions is if the guy had a bomb in his pocket or something. They had him restrained, they easily could've just dragged him out of there. Easily. What threat did he pose once he was in cuffs that they needed to violently tase him again and again?

BlackArcher101 · 11-21-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

So what if we didn't see the events? THe only way I could understand their actions is if the guy had a bomb in his pocket or something. They had him restrained, they easily could've just dragged him out of there. Easily. What threat did he pose once he was in cuffs that they needed to violently tase him again and again?

Easy to say now... but they didn't know what threat he was at the time. Never know if someone has a knife ready for them when on the ground. Was he cuffed when on the ground?

Igottago · 11-21-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Easy to say now... but they didn't know what threat he was at the time. Never know if someone has a knife ready for them when on the ground. Was he cuffed when on the ground?

Yeah I guess you're right, you never know. So shoot first ask questions later. When I see a cop I should just run, because you never know when he's gonna kick my brown ass.

I'm positive he was cuffed while being tasered. Couldn't they have just searched him instead of repeatedly tasoring him?

Igottago · 11-21-2006, 10:53 PM

Olbermann report on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCeire9s-eY&NR