North Korea claims nuclear test

[Otto-matic]

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Monday claimed it has performed a successful nuclear test, according to that country's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).
South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported.
The apparent nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...est/index.html

[XxFlamerxX]

Woot WW3

[REDVAN]

I just wrote in the other thread. Oh well. Let's not get ourselves into a knot.

[fanforever1986]

i love war. good always comes out of it.

[Jake]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15190745/?GT1=8618

"...but was hailed by the communist nation as a “great leap forward” for its people."

Is that supposed to be a bad joke?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Jake

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15190745/?GT1=8618

"...but was hailed by the communist nation as a “great leap forward” for its people."

Is that supposed to be a bad joke?

Are you kidding? Nuclear weapons is a 'great leap forward' when it comes to North Korea's military capabilities. Thats why everyone is so concerned about their posession of these weapons, because it (could) dramatically shift the balance of power in North-East Asia.

I wouldn't be surprised if Iran and N. Korea believe it is a 'great leap forward', they've poured a lot of resources into these projects.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Can't say that I like this one little bit. Actually registered a 4.2 magnitude tremor. This comes at an interesting time for Japan, in particular. Koizumi is out and Abe is in and setting policy (which, to this point, has been surprisingly cooperative given Abe's very abrasive & conservative track record). If there's ever a combination to remilitarize Japan, a NK nuclear test and Abe as PM should be enough to get a majority of the locals here on board. Having been hit twice by nuclear attacks, I can see an agressive response from Japan, maybe even moreso than by the US.

Other than that it was a nice holiday Monday here in Tokyo....

[Lanny_MacDonald]

One thing is for certain, this will show us whether the hawks in the White House have the resolve to be the "protector" of the good like they say, or if they are "chicken hawks" and like to go around bullying nations they know have no capacity to fight back.

North Korea just PROVED they have weapons of mass destruction. Lil' Kim has long been known for his human rights attrocities. North Korea IS a threat to the region and could lead to a massive war. The ball is in Dumbya's court. I wonder what Jesus would do? I wonder what the village idiot from Crawford is going to do? (sorry, to some that might be redundant)

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

One thing is for certain, this will show us whether the hawks in the White House have the resolve to be the "protector" of the good like they say, or if they are "chicken hawks" and like to go around bullying nations they know have no capacity to fight back.

North Korea just PROVED they have weapons of mass destruction. Lil' Kim has long been known for his human rights attrocities. North Korea IS a threat to the region and could lead to a massive war. The ball is in Dumbya's court. I wonder what Jesus would do? I wonder what the village idiot from Crawford is going to do? (sorry, to some that might be redundant)

Why is it always up to the US? This is a world issue and I think the pressure is more on countries like France and Germany who always give the benifit of the doubt to countries like NK, Iran and Iraq.

It's interesting that you hate the war with Iraq so much but have no problem with starting one with a nuclear power.

What do you think the US should do? Just wondering what your thoughts are about that.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

One thing is for certain, this will show us whether the hawks in the White House have the resolve to be the "protector" of the good like they say, or if they are "chicken hawks" and like to go around bullying nations they know have no capacity to fight back.

North Korea just PROVED they have weapons of mass destruction. Lil' Kim has long been known for his human rights attrocities. North Korea IS a threat to the region and could lead to a massive war. The ball is in Dumbya's court. I wonder what Jesus would do? I wonder what the village idiot from Crawford is going to do? (sorry, to some that might be redundant)

I think this is more China's responsibility now. This has blown up in China's face, they were the one heading the 6 nations peace process - this has made China look very weak. This will have to be ultimately resolved by China, regardless of what the SC at the UN passes or does not pass.

The US can'tg swoop in Miltarily with China as their neighour, I'm sure you know that, but anything to take a political shot I guess.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Why is it always up to the US? This is a world issue and I think the pressure is more on countries like France and Germany who always give the benifit of the doubt to countries like NK, Iran and Iraq.

Why? Hmmmm, what country is trapsing around the globe right now acting as the "world cop" when no one has asked them too? The United States. Who has been rattling the sabre about taking out NK's nuclear capability? The United States. Who has been threatening Iran in a similar fashion? The United States.

It's interesting that you hate the war with Iraq so much but have no problem with starting one with a nuclear power.

Uh, where did I state my desire to start a war? I was simply pointing out the lack of consistency in the Bush Administration's position. I have no idea how you saw my comments of me condoning war. The only thing I was doing was pointed out the hypocracy of the regime in Washington and what a bunch of cowards they really are.

What do you think the US should do? Just wondering what your thoughts are about that.

If I were running the show I'd do nothing directly. This is a regional matter. I would allow China, South Korea, Japan and Russia to carry the mail. This matter is more pressing for them than it is for my country. I would provide what ever assistance I could from a diplomatic perspective, but this is not something where my country should be leading the way. Diplomacy is the only solution that the United States can even consider IMO, and they can't lead the charge either. This is NOT their concern.

If America is so damn afraid of the nuclear potential of an attack, then stop acting like a bully around the world. IMO, its only a matter of time before an American city gets hit with a nuclear bomb, and frankly I doubt anyone outside of North America will shed a tear. America reaps what it sows, and all these years of beating down nations rather than helping them up is sure to come home to roost. Sadly, a lot of good people, whose only sin is living in this country, are likely to die for the ignorant actions of power hungry politicians in Washington.

BTW, I'm wondering if anyone else is aware that Rumsfeld provided the capability for North Korea to build their nuclear program? Seems that where ever he goes to share technology, a decade or so later a new tyranical regime springs up. Coincidence?

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...2316/index.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/arti...952289,00.html

http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/c12...8005b4931.aspx?

http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/c12...00433604.aspx?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1908571.stm

"President George W Bush waived the Framework's requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors."

http://www.cndyorks.gn.apc.org/news/...nknukedeal.htm

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/03/0028228

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Why? Hmmmm, what country is trapsing around the globe right now acting as the "world cop" when no one has asked them too? The United States. Who has been rattling the sabre about taking out NK's nuclear capability? The United States. Who has been threatening Iran in a similar fashion? The United States.



Uh, where did I state my desire to start a war? I was simply pointing out the lack of consistency in the Bush Administration's position. I have no idea how you saw my comments of me condoning war. The only thing I was doing was pointed out the hypocracy of the regime in Washington and what a bunch of cowards they really are.



If I were running the show I'd do nothing directly. This is a regional matter. I would allow China, South Korea, Japan and Russia to carry the mail. This matter is more pressing for them than it is for my country. I would provide what ever assistance I could from a diplomatic perspective, but this is not something where my country should be leading the way. Diplomacy is the only solution that the United States can even consider IMO, and they can't lead the charge either. This is NOT their concern.

If America is so damn afraid of the nuclear potential of an attack, then stop acting like a bully around the world. IMO, its only a matter of time before an American city gets hit with a nuclear bomb, and frankly I doubt anyone outside of North America will shed a tear. America reaps what it sows, and all these years of beating down nations rather than helping them up is sure to come home to roost. Sadly, a lot of good people, whose only sin is living in this country, are likely to die for the ignorant actions of power hungry politicians in Washington.

BTW, I'm wondering if anyone else is aware that Rumsfeld provided the capability for North Korea to build their nuclear program? Seems that where ever he goes to share technology, a decade or so later a new tyranical regime springs up. Coincidence?

Rumsfeld? haha. Clinton gave him a nuclear power plant for Christ sakes. Man, you are obsessed over the GOP.

[jolinar of malkshor]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Why? Hmmmm, what country is trapsing around the globe right now acting as the "world cop" when no one has asked them too? The United States. Who has been rattling the sabre about taking out NK's nuclear capability? The United States. Who has been threatening Iran in a similar fashion? The United States.

Yes the US has been and is a bully. But isn't it funny how the entire world always turns to the US when **** hits the fan. If something happens, it's always...the US needs to send troops, the US needs to send aid, the US needs to send negotiators. So...although I agree that they are a bully...the world always relies on US to do the dirty work.

Uh, where did I state my desire to start a war? I was simply pointing out the lack of consistency in the Bush Administration's position. I have no idea how you saw my comments of me condoning war. The only thing I was doing was pointed out the hypocracy of the regime in Washington and what a bunch of cowards they really are.

Ok then.

If I were running the show I'd do nothing directly. This is a regional matter. I would allow China, South Korea, Japan and Russia to carry the mail. This matter is more pressing for them than it is for my country. I would provide what ever assistance I could from a diplomatic perspective, but this is not something where my country should be leading the way. Diplomacy is the only solution that the United States can even consider IMO, and they can't lead the charge either. This is NOT their concern.

If America is so damn afraid of the nuclear potential of an attack, then stop acting like a bully around the world. IMO, its only a matter of time before an American city gets hit with a nuclear bomb, and frankly I doubt anyone outside of North America will shed a tear. America reaps what it sows, and all these years of beating down nations rather than helping them up is sure to come home to roost. Sadly, a lot of good people, whose only sin is living in this country, are likely to die for the ignorant actions of power hungry politicians in Washington.

BTW, I'm wondering if anyone else is aware that Rumsfeld provided the capability for North Korea to build their nuclear program? Seems that where ever he goes to share technology, a decade or so later a new tyranical regime springs up. Coincidence?

Well we know what you would do then.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well we know what you would do then.

What would you do? What would Jesus do?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

What would you do? What would Jesus do?

I don't give a flying **** what Jesus would do. Do you really think I am one of those right wing religious nuts??

I don't get paid enough to make those decisions. However, I think something should have been done before it got to this point. It will be much harder to do something now than a few years ago. And...your right...China needs to be the one to deal with this...with the support of the rest of the world.

I just shake my head at all these people that have this idea of just sitting back and doing nothing. They aren't hurting anyone just leave them alone. Well...we all know that hasn't worked in the past, so why will it work now? NK was never a real military threat before....I mean they have a large standing army but their equipment is out dated and I could see a large portion of the military deserting if a war started. It is not like Nazi Germany's army. Now...however...with nuclear weapons backing them up...it changes the picture considerably.

I just want to know what all those people on CP have to say now....now that they have nukes. All those people saying....it will never happen...they are just sabre rattling....they aren't even close to to developing nukes.

I mean if their rocket program had actually been successful last month....well....this would be even more serious. And....it's only a matter of time before they have that capacity.

[White Doors]

Of course, the real question is, WWCND?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't give a flying **** what Jesus would do. Do you really think I am one of those right wing religious nuts??

Watch it, CalgaryBorn will pop up and call you nasty names!

I just shake my head at all these people that have this idea of just sitting back and doing nothing. They aren't hurting anyone just leave them alone. Well...we all know that hasn't worked in the past, so why will it work now? NK was never a real military threat before....I mean they have a large standing army but their equipment is out dated and I could see a large portion of the military deserting if a war started. It is not like Nazi Germany's army. Now...however...with nuclear weapons backing them up...it changes the picture considerably.

I just want to know what all those people on CP have to say now....now that they have nukes. All those people saying....it will never happen...they are just sabre rattling....they aren't even close to to developing nukes.

I mean if their rocket program had actually been successful last month....well....this would be even more serious. And....it's only a matter of time before they have that capacity.

I say good on them! Why should America be able to trot around the globe threatening the **** out of everyone just because they have a nuclear arsenal and are the ONLY country to have used it? Why should any country live in fear of America and what its self-righteous wackos will do to increase their power and wealth? Why shouldn't every country in the world have the right to arm themselves with whatever technology they desire? Why should the United States get to be the "decider" in who gets what? Jesus, the United States has more destructive technology than any other nation, and is continually adding to that arsenal, yet everyone is supposed to trust them? **** that noise. If the bully down the street has a gun and is continually threatening your family are you just going to take it? Hell no! You're going to get a gun and defend your family if it comes to it. When I hear of countries wanting nuclear weapons it does not surprise me in the least. Theyv are the only deterent that the "super powers" seem to listen to. If those weapons enable a country to defend itself from the militaristic, socialistic and political designs of other countries, then let everyone have them!

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Watch it, CalgaryBorn will pop up and call you nasty names!



I say good on them! Why should America be able to trot around the globe threatening the **** out of everyone just because they have a nuclear arsenal and are the ONLY country to have used it? Why should any country live in fear of America and what its self-righteous wackos will do to increase their power and wealth? Why shouldn't every country in the world have the right to arm themselves with whatever technology they desire? Why should the United States get to be the "decider" in who gets what? Jesus, the United States has more destructive technology than any other nation, and is continually adding to that arsenal, yet everyone is supposed to trust them? **** that noise. If the bully down the street has a gun and is continually threatening your family are you just going to take it? Hell no! You're going to get a gun and defend your family if it comes to it. When I hear of countries wanting nuclear weapons it does not surprise me in the least. Theyv are the only deterent that the "super powers" seem to listen to. If those weapons enable a country to defend itself from the militaristic, socialistic and political designs of other countries, then let everyone have them!

As far as I am concered...this arguement doesn't fly. I am not even going to touch the "they are the only ones who have used it". By your logic, anyone should be allowed to possess anything. If it was Australia building these weapons...we wouldn't have to worry so much, they are a democratic nation and would be responsible in their use.

I can't believe how any person can think...."if the US has them....everyone else should be able to have them"

Hell...the military has assualt rifles....by your logic.....criminals should be aloud to have them aswell.

Unbelievable...just unbelievable.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

As far as I am concered...this arguement doesn't fly. I am not even going to touch the "they are the only ones who have used it". By your logic, anyone should be allowed to possess anything. If it was Australia building these weapons...we wouldn't have to worry so much, they are a democratic nation and would be responsible in their use.

I can't believe how any person can think...."if the US has them....everyone else should be able to have them"

Hell...the military has assualt rifles....by your logic.....criminals should be aloud to have them aswell.

Unbelievable...just unbelievable.

Yeah, you're one to talk about logic.

"The military has assault the military has assualt rifles criminals should be aloud to have them aswell."

WTF, the criminals already have them! How lame.

This is also not a "military versus criminal" argument. This is nation state versus nation state. Massive difference. And ideology is a bull**** argument as well. How long can we trust any nation? Gee, wasn't Iraq our friend not so long ago? Russia was our enemy, then our friend, and is now being spun into an enemy again. I will never buy that garbage about an ideology making someone more or less trustworthy than the next guy. That's the approach of the small minded IMO. What makes our way of life and our leaders better than anyone elses?

[killer_carlson]

maybe we should demand that they set up a Gun Registry so that all the bad people can tell the government what guns they own....and it will only cost 2 million bucks......I think....