Should we start a pool for NK's nuke test? - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

jolinar of malkshor · 10-08-2006, 03:04 PM

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North Korea, a self-declared nuclear power, announced Tuesday that it would conduct a test but did not specify when, triggering speculation the possible date

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/08/news/nuke.php

I will pick Dec 27th.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-08-2006, 03:05 PM

I pick never. You can't test something you don't have yet.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-08-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

They can get them from Iraq.

Funny.

Iraq has never had a nuclear weapon.

Knut · 10-08-2006, 03:21 PM

NK is just trying to hold the world hostage so that they send him money to feed his starving people....

I say never too... call the bluff and watch him squirm...

I would say that if he does test one.. that would make China a bit unhappy and probably lead to them taking strong action against NK... might be in the worlds best interest if NK shows its hand and does a test.... we would know for sure that they possess the ability... and a large majority of the world would be more open to more extreme measures against them and it may even draw the US and China together in a tighter relationship.

Jake · 10-08-2006, 03:35 PM

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might be in the worlds best interest if NK shows its hand and does a test

Its not in our best interest. I'd rather have no radioactive dust circulating through the entire world than know if they have nuclear weapons.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-08-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Its not in our best interest. I'd rather have no radioactive dust circulating through the entire world than know if they have nuclear weapons.

They would be testing underground....waaaaay underground.

White Doors · 10-08-2006, 04:03 PM

Meh, China won't let them. This is sabre rattling. They miss the attention that they used to get. I do believe that they have a couple of them though.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-08-2006, 04:12 PM

I guess I win then..if nobody is picking a date. Haha

jolinar of malkshor · 10-08-2006, 04:14 PM

My question is...China wasn't all that concerned about Pakistan and India...why would they be any more concerned about NK.

IMO if NK does have them...it is in their best interest to show the worl they have them. No country will invade them if there is a chance one will be shot at SK. If others think they don't have them..well..there is more of a likely hood of another country intervening.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-08-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

My question is...China wasn't all that concerned about Pakistan and India...why would they be any more concerned about NK.

IMO if NK does have them...it is in their best interest to show the worl they have them. No country will invade them if there is a chance one will be shot at SK. If others think they don't have them..well..there is more of a likely hood of another country intervening.

Because nobody has the influence over NK that China does. If NK does this against China's wishes it shows a chink in China's political armor.

China won't let this happen.

Knut · 10-08-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

My question is...China wasn't all that concerned about Pakistan and India...why would they be any more concerned about NK.

IMO if NK does have them...it is in their best interest to show the worl they have them. No country will invade them if there is a chance one will be shot at SK. If others think they don't have them..well..there is more of a likely hood of another country intervening.

I dont agree that it is in their best interest to show them.... it would rally more people against them.... fact is... as long as they threaten and sabre-rattle they are more likely to get some appeasment from the UN and the European union... showing that they have the capability to explode a nuclear weapon will just mean a tougher stance against them.. especially from China and Russia who are right beside them.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-08-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hesla

I dont agree that it is in their best interest to show them.... it would rally more people against them.... fact is... as long as they threaten and sabre-rattle they are more likely to get some appeasment from the UN and the European union... showing that they have the capability to explode a nuclear weapon will just mean a tougher stance against them.. especially from China and Russia who are right beside them.

It's a two way street I guess. They can extort the world for money and aid claiming they won't develop them if they are given this stuff...but it leaves them open to pre-emptive attacks to thrawt the actual development.

If they do develop them...then I don't think any country would be willing to take the risk of attacking them. Also they can hang these nukes over the heads of SK extorting them for aid.

Who knows what that crazy ******* is thinking.

Knut · 10-08-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It's a two way street I guess. They can extort the world for money and aid claiming they won't develop them if they are given this stuff...but it leaves them open to pre-emptive attacks to thrawt the actual development.

If they do develop them...then I don't think any country would be willing to take the risk of attacking them. Also they can hang these nukes over the heads of SK extorting them for aid.

Who knows what that crazy ******* is thinking.

True i can see it that way too.... most world leaders know he is a nut-job.... but think he is just bluffing so they are not reacting to him... i am not sure how world leaders will react to NK with nukes...

however nutjob + nukes = rouge nation from a Tom Clancy novel.... and i think that nations will try and limit the power NK gets from nukes by cutting them off and potentially attacking....

Regardless... this is a scary situation... and to me things are shaping up to be an Iranian - NK axis that can spell another world war.... two countries with rogue leaders hoping to capitalize on instability in their regions... and hoping the rest of the world makes concessions to them... scary...

Especially scary because the US is spread so thin now and the world for the most part is against their foreign policy.... i fear that China might be the "sleeping giant" of any new world war.... and it is uncertain what side she will fall on...

REDVAN · 10-08-2006, 06:46 PM

No we should not have a pool.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-08-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by REDVAN

No we should not have a pool.

Ok then. Thanks for your input.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-08-2006, 09:03 PM

Maybe they've already done it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

Knut · 10-08-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Maybe they've already done it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

well.... first one of the first steps towards world war.... great...

JohnnyFlame · 10-08-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

My question is...China wasn't all that concerned about Pakistan and India...why would they be any more concerned about NK.

IMO if NK does have them...it is in their best interest to show the worl they have them. No country will invade them if there is a chance one will be shot at SK. If others think they don't have them..well..there is more of a likely hood of another country intervening.

China has long enjoyed having North Korea as a barrier against having a democracy sitting on their border. But you gotta know that China isn't impressed by the idiot running North Korea. He certainly dosen't run things Chinese style. They have been very active in negotiations which isn't their style either -- they are losing face the longer the negotiations don't show fruit.

Also the North Koreans with all their crap are giving the Japanese who are already rapidly heading in that direction carte blanche to rearm. They already changed the law banning offensive weapons. North Korea doing nuke tests will give them all the ammo they need to really pickup the pace militarily and nothing gives Chinese the jitters like seeing the Japanese cranking up their army.

Frankly as a counter balance for the area I think the Japanese should be encouraged to really pick up their military spending and become a major power in that area again.

Barnes · 10-08-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Frankly as a counter balance for the area I think the Japanese should be encouraged to really pick up their military spending and become a major power in that area again.

That or not having a crazy mofo who thinks he's God ruling NK.

Just saw on the news South Korea has detected a tremor measuring 3.2 coming from the crazies up north (not Edmonton).

Ayrahb · 10-08-2006, 11:50 PM

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Frankly as a counter balance for the area I think the Japanese should be encouraged to really pick up their military spending and become a major power in that area again.

I thought the Japanese military was effectively castrated by the American policies and Japan's Constitution after WWII. I'll bet a few people are kicking themselves about that right now. Let's see if this changes anything.