Grimsley names Clemons, Tejada others as steroid abusers

[JiriHrdina]

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story/?ID=179511&hubname=

Yikes.

[Bobblehead]

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised anymore.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

But I'm sure there are many that do 'roids, many that don't, and until there is an effective way of catching the cheaters I won't be shocked by any player who is accused.

[transplant99]

This cant be a surprise to anyone can it? Especially in regards to Clemens and Tejada.

It was so transparent when it was happening it is insane to me that no one questioned it then.

Everyone knows the transformation of Bonds from lean speed machine to behemoth slugger.

Now look at Clemens as a young guy in Boston, to about 8 years ago when his legs alone became the size of tree stumps, although he was always big in the thigh area.

Brady Anderson went from 16 HR one year, to 50 the next, then back to 18. He also put on 20 lbs of "muscle". Just one example of many of course.

It was rampant throughout the sport. Like or hate Jose Canseco, I have no doubt he was telling the truth as he knew it when he played.

[troutman]

Will the media go after Clemens the way they went after Bonds?

I didn't really see Clemens deny anything in his comments yet:

"I just think it's incredibly dangerous to sit out there and just throw names out there," Clemens said Sunday before the Astros played in Atlanta. "I haven't seen (the report), nor do I need to see it."

"I've been tested plenty of times," he added. "My physicals I've taken, they have taken my blood work. I have passed every test. Again, I just find it amazing that you can throw anybody out there."

All he is saying is he passed tests, and as we know from cycling, only an idiot would fail the tests.

[habernac]

and if North American sports were tested like cyclists are, there would be a hell of a lot more people suspended as well.

The Clemons rumours were out there earlier this year. He allegedly had to get the roids out of his system before he signed any kind of baseball contract.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by habernac

and if North American sports were tested like cyclists are, there would be a hell of a lot more people suspended as well.

I agree, but that's kind of the problem. Even though cycling has one of the toughest testing policies, guys are still getting caught and cycling has the reputation of being 'dirty'.
Now no other sports tests as much, yet the public is supposed to believe that the athletes are clean?
If you can't get cycling clean with all that testing, I can't begin to imagine how bad many other sports are; with minimal testing and huge money on the line, the biochemists are probably kept very busy.

[troutman]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ley/index.html

Both Pettitte and Clemens denied using performance-enhancing drugs -- though, if you're the skeptical sort, the denials weren't exactly ironclad. Clemens, for example, reiterated that he's never failed any drug test, including the stringent ones conducted during the World Baseball Classic in March. But Major League Baseball didn't start drug testing until 2003 and didn't start penalizing players for positive drug tests until 2004. Clemens is completing his 23rd season in the big leagues.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ley/index.html

Both Pettitte and Clemens denied using performance-enhancing drugs -- though, if you're the skeptical sort, the denials weren't exactly ironclad. Clemens, for example, reiterated that he's never failed any drug test, including the stringent ones conducted during the World Baseball Classic in March. But Major League Baseball didn't start drug testing until 2003 and didn't start penalizing players for positive drug tests until 2004. Clemens is completing his 23rd season in the big leagues.

Yep, thats the wording. If anyone wants me to believe them they better outright deny it and call it a lie - pretty obviously carefully chosen, but not an outright denial.

[Flames2007FIRE IT UP]

Baseball keeps having this story come back over and over and over. The playoffs are coming and another steroid story, it is killing the game but they did bring it on themselves.