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Displaced Flames fan · 09-24-2006, 09:42 AM

I'm wishy washy on this issue, but its difficult to take this story in and not think about killing this person.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/24/ki....ap/index.html

Table 5 · 09-24-2006, 10:12 AM

jesus jones, what the hell is wrong with people? that is horrible.

Looger · 09-24-2006, 10:45 AM

horrible.

death penalty? call me when the correct conviction rate approaches the semi-respectable!

OILFAN #81 · 09-24-2006, 11:14 AM

That is ****ing disgusting. The death penalty would seem to light for the person who did this. I don't get what is wrong with these people. Killing 3 beautiful innocent children like that and putting them in a washer/dryer and killing the mother and ripping open the abdomen and taking the fetus? WTF?????????

That's one of the most horrible stories i've heard. I don't think the death penalty is enough in this case. Make the suspect suffer and then death penalty. That is sick. Seriously just do to her what was done to the kids. I am sick and tired of **** like this in the world happening. What the **** is wrong with people?

KootenayFlamesFan · 09-24-2006, 12:42 PM

Pretty hard to read stuff like that.

No idea how someone comes up with things like this in their head and actually follows through with it.

Terrible.

MrMastodonFarm · 09-24-2006, 01:19 PM

When it comes up I say I'm against the death penatly.. but anyone who hurts children in anyways deserve death.. so I guess I'm for it.

MattyK · 09-24-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I don't think the death penalty is enough in this case. Make the suspect suffer and then death penalty. That is sick. Seriously just do to her what was done to the kids. I am sick and tired of **** like this in the world happening. What the **** is wrong with people?

Yes, it's a horrible, atrocious crime. Yes, the person who did this should be punished. But calling for their death...and making them suffer beforehand, nonetheless...what does that accomplish?

"Yeah, only terrible, soulless people kill other people...Hey, let's kill them!"

CaptainCrunch · 09-24-2006, 01:39 PM

I'm all for the death penalty in cases where there's absolutely no doubt, or in mass murder cases or cop killing or terrorism related cases.

However there's no need to make them suffer, make it quick and get them out of the gene pool.

I'm also convinced that making someone wait for 10 or 15 years to face thier ultimate sentence is cruel. They need to find a way to speed up the appeals process so the sentence or the commuting of the sentence is decided within weeks instead of years.

OILFAN #81 · 09-24-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyK

Yes, it's a horrible, atrocious crime. Yes, the person who did this should be punished. But calling for their death...and making them suffer beforehand, nonetheless...what does that accomplish?

"Yeah, only terrible, soulless people kill other people...Hey, let's kill them!"

Hey if you kill three innocent young kids and stuff them in a washer and dryer and rip open their mother's abdomen and take out the fetus, you better believe I am for calling for the death of the individual who did it. This is a escalated event that is far from the normal. The person who did this is obviously sick. So in summary, yup I'm all for the death of the person who did it.

Edit: In terms of the suffering comment, maybe it's a little over the edge but it's not fair that the mother had to suffer by being gutted, and who knows how long the kids did. I've known people who were murdered and had to suffer so maybe it's a lil bias on that part (in terms of they make people suffer and kill them, and then they don't get enough the death penalty themselves, or get off on parole with an insanity plea).

Azure · 09-24-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyK

Yes, it's a horrible, atrocious crime. Yes, the person who did this should be punished. But calling for their death...and making them suffer beforehand, nonetheless...what does that accomplish?

"Yeah, only terrible, soulless people kill other people...Hey, let's kill them!"

I guess its better to give them 20 years in prison...and let them run free like we do child-killers.

Thats 'true' justice.

OILFAN #81 · 09-24-2006, 03:31 PM

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I guess its better to give them 20 years in prison...and let them run free like we do child-killers.

Thats 'true' justice.

Thank you Azure , that's exactly what I mean(t).

BlackArcher101 · 09-24-2006, 03:41 PM

Death by stoning.

FlamesAddiction · 09-24-2006, 03:43 PM

I have no moral issues against a death penalty, torture, corporeal punishment, or even cruel and unusual punishment for that matter. If it were possible to 100% catch and convict offenders of horrendous crimes beyond any doubt, and apply the punishments equally and fairly, then that would be fine.

However, the problem I have stems from the fact that our justices systems are too flawed to be able to bear this responsibilty.

OILFAN #81 · 09-24-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have no moral issues against a death penalty, torture, corporeal punishment, or even cruel and unusual punishment for that matter. If it were possible to 100% catch and convict offenders of horrendous crimes beyond any doubt, and apply the punishments equally and fairly, then that would be fine.

However, the problem I have stems from the fact that our justices systems are too flawed to be able to bear this responsibilty.

Well said.

ken0042 · 09-24-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm also convinced that making someone wait for 10 or 15 years to face thier ultimate sentence is cruel. They need to find a way to speed up the appeals process so the sentence or the commuting of the sentence is decided within weeks instead of years.

Isn't part of that "wait" the fault of the accused? Isn't the main reason that people are on death row so long is because there are so many appeals?

jolinar of malkshor · 09-24-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have no moral issues against a death penalty, torture, corporeal punishment, or even cruel and unusual punishment for that matter. If it were possible to 100% catch and convict offenders of horrendous crimes beyond any doubt, and apply the punishments equally and fairly, then that would be fine.

However, the problem I have stems from the fact that our justices systems are too flawed to be able to bear this responsibilty.

Doing that makes you no better of a person than he. No person has the moral authority to take another persons life unless it is self defense. Put the guy in a cell to rot and let whom ever you believe in as a God punish him when the time comes.

daveyboy · 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

The crime is quite horrendus, disgusting and makes me feel sick, but I feel as though people calling for the death penalty are basing this demand on vengence and reprisal.

A justice system based on the principles of vengence and revenge has no place in society.

As my main man Ghandi said, "an eye for an eye and the whole world is blind"

Azure · 09-24-2006, 05:45 PM

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I think they should be let free, but then all laws are not available to protect them. Someone steals their car. Fine. Someone chops their leg off. So be it. Someone kidnaps them. Cops don't try and get them back.

Hey, since they don't follow the rules of society, why should society protect them?

Call the Supreme Court, we just might have something here.

Azure · 09-24-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Doing that makes you no better of a person than he. No person has the moral authority to take another persons life unless it is self defense. Put the guy in a cell to rot and let whom ever you believe in as a God punish him when the time comes.

I'm quite sure many people currently FOR the death penalty would agree to that on two conditions...1) the guy is never let out of prison...2) he serves his time in a 6 by 8 cell, with only a toilet and a sink to keep him company. No TV, no radio, and no social pleasures. Shower once a week(if that) and have 1 hour of time to go outside, per day.

OILFAN #81 · 09-24-2006, 05:56 PM

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I'm quite sure many people currently FOR the death penalty would agree to that on two conditions...1) the guy is never let out of prison...2) he serves his time in a 6 by 8 cell, with only a toilet and a sink to keep him company. No TV, no radio, and no social pleasures. Shower once a week(if that) and have 1 hour of time to go outside, per day.

1 hour too much. No going outside. Everything else i'd agree to on a case like this except i'd want him or her to shower daily still.

Edit: If by outside you meant "outside outside" no way, if by outside you meant outside the cell to shower, then that's fine.