The ultimate Iraq hostage: the USA elections

[Cowperson]

Interesting opinion piece in the Boston Globe this morning: Terrorists need Bush to stay in power, so how do they go about helping that out wonders this author.

These same zealots also need Bush. For them, Bush is a great uniter. The world holds him in great contempt, as demonstrated anew during his recent appearance before the United Nations. America's invasion of Iraq fuels hate around the world, which is exactly what Islamic terrorists need. What better recruiting tool can there be for Al Qaeda than a much-disliked American president overseeing the unpopular occupation of Iraq?

A new Kerry administration presumably will enjoy a honeymoon period with world leaders who despise the incumbent president. And if Kerry is to be taken at his word on the campaign trail, he will be able to convince more of those world leaders to join America in resolving the conflict in Iraq. How is that good for the terrorist network around the world?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...timate_hostage/

Agree or disagree?

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Definitely agree. Iraq is on every American's mind right now and is the first line of defense for Bushies. I'm sure the leaders of these terrorist organizations know how much Bush is hated around the world and how that hate hurts the United States and its credability. The best thing for them is another four years of Dubya and another four years of his dvisive policies. America will become weaker fiscally and continue to drive long time allies away by their actions. bin Laden must be daning in a cave some where thanking Allah that he could deliver such a moronic buffoon to lead America at this time. He'll be even happier with another four more years of Bush-league leadership!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 24 2004, 02:39 PM
Definitely agree. Iraq is on every American's mind right now and is the first line of defense for Bushies. I'm sure the leaders of these terrorist organizations know how much Bush is hated around the world and how that hate hurts the United States and its credability. The best thing for them is another four years of Dubya and another four years of his dvisive policies. America will become weaker fiscally and continue to drive long time allies away by their actions. bin Laden must be daning in a cave some where thanking Allah that he could deliver such a moronic buffoon to lead America at this time. He'll be even happier with another four more years of Bush-league leadership!

Well, if you loved that, you'll love this from the New York Times this morning:

"A Charge to Keep: My Journey to the White House": GW Bush autobiography, with a comment on Vietnam.

"My inclination was to support the government and the war until proven wrong, and that only came later, as I realized we could not explain the mission, had no exit strategy, and did not seem to be fighting to win."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/24/op...erbert.html?hp

Hey, I thought you said the government controlled/Liberal media owned by corporations didn't have stuff like that?

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Aw Cow, don't cry. Doesn't it suck when all the garbage that you spew starts to fall a part? Trying to defelct the reality by desperately holding out that many will continue to buy the whole "Lanny is conspiracy theorist" line of crap? Pretty weak Cow. BTW... what is FoxNews broadcasting right now? Oh yeah, that things are good and rosy and that Iraq is in great shape and that Americans don't have everything to worry about under Bush, especially the economy. And the other networks? They're too damn scared to say anthing against the administration for fear of being labelled anti-American like Rather and CBS. A conspiracy theory? Nope. Just the way things are unfolding at this time in history.

On the article I think that it is refreshing to see womeon call the President out on his own words and his own actions. If more would do that we might start to see some change. But have no fear, this guy will probably be labelled a left wing wacko and branded a supporter of terrorism, or so goes things in the world of Karl Rove.

B)

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 24 2004, 04:05 PM
Aw Cow, don't cry. Doesn't it suck when all the garbage that you spew starts to fall a part? Trying to defelct the reality by desperately holding out that many will continue to buy the whole "Lanny is conspiracy theorist" line of crap? Pretty weak Cow. BTW... what is FoxNews broadcasting right now? Oh yeah, that things are good and rosy and that Iraq is in great shape and that Americans don't have everything to worry about under Bush, especially the economy. And the other networks? They're too damn scared to say anthing against the administration for fear of being labelled anti-American like Rather and CBS. A conspiracy theory? Nope. Just the way things are unfolding at this time in history.

On the article I think that it is refreshing to see womeon call the President out on his own words and his own actions. If more would do that we might start to see some change. But have no fear, this guy will probably be labelled a left wing wacko and branded a supporter of terrorism, or so goes things in the world of Karl Rove.

B)

Ah, did I hurt your feelings?

I said long ago Fox has a right wing bias and would never be accused of a left-wing bias. I use it as an example all the time of media bias.

Nice try though.

Better get back to dipping your head into books of people who agree with what you think. No bias there. FOX News in black and white.

Go back and check that thread you started on whether or not you're a fan of conspiracy theories or not. Even the people who agree with you think you are.

By the way, why try to dodge that?

They're too damn scared to say anthing against the administration for fear of being labelled anti-American like Rather and CBS.

Better tell that to Displaced. He thinks the liberal media is out to ambush GW Bush.

And I hope that comment wasn't some sort of defence of Dan Rather.

On the article I think that it is refreshing to see womeon call the President out on his own words and his own actions. If more would do that we might start to see some change. But have no fear, this guy will probably be labelled a left wing wacko and branded a supporter of terrorism, or so goes things in the world of Karl Rove.

Speaking of Karl Rove, this is from the New York Times column - written by a man apparently scared to speak his mind - who had this to say:

If you spend more than a little time immersed in the world according to Karl Rove, you'll find that words lose even the remotest connection to reality. They become nothing more than tools designed to achieve political ends. So it's not easy to decipher what the president believes about Iraq.

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

"FOX News in black and white."

No, Fox is white and white. Actually they are white is right. And please, when Bill O'Reilly is your main gun your have no credability. All you have to do is look at his previous contributions to the news genre. A Current Affair and Inside Edition were brilliant journalism. Especially for those that read the World Weekly News and the National Inquirer, which just happens to be Fox's target market.

And gee Cow, I didn't think you got Fox up there in the hinterland? Sure know a lot about what they promote for a guy who doesn't watch/read/listen to it.



"Go back and check that thread you started on whether or not you're a fan of conspiracy theories or not. Even the people who agree with you think you are."

Brilliant. So the huddled masses of CalgaryPuck think I'm a conspiracy theorist because of subject matter they don't comprehend and have a hair of information on? What ever you say Cow. David Riesman wrote "Men are created different; they lose their social freedom and individual autonomy in seeking to become like one another." Truer words were not spoken about our society, especially about the pack mentality displayed in our world. How appropriate that you should be called "Cowperson" since you hold herd-mentality as the final judgement in intellectual battles like this. Wouldn't want to base it on the information available and the actions taking place in the world. No, the final answer is what the masses are lead to believe. Gotcha.

"Better tell that to Displaced. He thinks the liberal media is out to ambush GW Bush."

Sure, and Dis thinks The Simpsons is filmed on a live sound stage too. What ever Fox produces is the truth. Right. Everyone is ganging up on poor Bush. Wouldn't have anything to do with an illegal military action, a crap economy, flagging respect around the globe and signs of corruption throughout the administration? No, its just the Liberals out to pounce on a poor unsuspecting Conservative.

Speaking of Karl Rove, this is from the New York Times column - written by a man apparently scared to speak his mind - who had this to say:

If you spend more than a little time immersed in the world according to Karl Rove, you'll find that words lose even the remotest connection to reality. They become nothing more than tools designed to achieve political ends. So it's not easy to decipher what the president believes about Iraq.

Well I'm finally glad that you're begining to see the light. I'm not surprised that it took someone from the media to plant the thought in your head. Hard to believe that someone as supposedly intelligent as yourself never learned to think for yourself. When are you going to fingure out that Iraq is a sham and Bush is a moron? Do you have to wait for someone in the media to write that one into your consciousness as well?

[Bingo]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 24 2004, 10:05 AM
BTW... what is FoxNews broadcasting right now? Oh yeah, that things are good and rosy and that Iraq is in great shape and that Americans don't have everything to worry about under Bush, especially the economy.

Do you actually read news from the site?

You're feelings no Fox and the reality almost never equate. Why don't you go find me a "everything is rosy in Iraq" story from the foxnews.com website. I can't seem to find one.

I do think they tend to give the administration the benefit of the doubt when more left leaning sources jump without information, but to me that's a good thing. Yet I can show you examples where they do hammer the government when the truth is actually known.

They lean right, as Cow said, but it's no where near the spin machine that you make them out to be.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 24 2004, 05:19 PM
"FOX News in black and white."

No, Fox is white and white.# Actually they are white is right.# And please, when Bill O'Reilly is your main gun your have no credability.# All you have to do is look at his previous contributions to the news genre.# A Current Affair and Inside Edition were brilliant journalism.# Especially for those that read the World Weekly News and the National Inquirer, which just happens to be Fox's target market.

And gee Cow, I didn't think you got Fox up there in the hinterland?# Sure know a lot about what they promote for a guy who doesn't watch/read/listen to it.



"Go back and check that thread you started on whether or not you're a fan of conspiracy theories or not. Even the people who agree with you think you are."

# David Riesman wrote "Men are created different; they lose their social freedom and individual autonomy in seeking to become like one another."# Truer words were not spoken about our society, especially about the pack mentality displayed in our world.# How appropriate that you should be called "Cowperson" since you hold herd-mentality as the final judgement in intellectual battles like this.# Wouldn't want to base it on the information available and the actions taking place in the world.# No, the final answer is what the masses are lead to believe.# Gotcha.

"Better tell that to Displaced. He thinks the liberal media is out to ambush GW Bush."

Sure, and Dis thinks The Simpsons is filmed on a live sound stage too.# What ever Fox produces is the truth.# Right.# Everyone is ganging up on poor Bush.# Wouldn't have anything to do with an illegal military action, a crap economy, flagging respect around the globe and signs of corruption throughout the administration?# No, its just the Liberals out to pounce on a poor unsuspecting Conservative.

Speaking of Karl Rove, this is from the New York Times column - written by a man apparently scared to speak his mind - who had this to say:

If you spend more than a little time immersed in the world according to Karl Rove, you'll find that words lose even the remotest connection to reality. They become nothing more than tools designed to achieve political ends. So it's not easy to decipher what the president believes about Iraq.

Well I'm finally glad that you're begining to see the light.# I'm not surprised that it took someone from the media to plant the thought in your head.# Hard to believe that someone as supposedly intelligent as yourself never learned to think for yourself.# When are you going to fingure out that Iraq is a sham and Bush is a moron?# Do you have to wait for someone in the media to write that one into your consciousness as well?

I DID hurt your feelings!! Sorry bub!!

I'm on your side about Fox. Never said different.

The only other thing I've said is that CBC News and Fox News provide the basic news. Its the limited spectrum of opinion and analysis of that data which often creates the slant.

No, we don't get FOX here but their website, along with most other media sites, is something I'll blast through on an average morning. I actually post very few of their links, mostly their off-beat news like dogs shooting humans and stuff.

Brilliant. So the huddled masses of CalgaryPuck think I'm a conspiracy theorist because of subject matter they don't comprehend and have a hair of information on? What ever you say Cow.

You were the guy who started a thread asking if you were a conspiracy theorist. Whatsa matter? If you didn't like the answer, don't ask the question.

Obviously a conspiracy of people at Calgarypuck - from the left and the right no less - out to get you.

How appropriate that you should be called "Cowperson" since you hold herd-mentality as the final judgement in intellectual battles like this.

Yeah, I've never been known to argue a minority position on this board.

Like "Grammas have a right to protest a street hockey game if the ball goes into their flowerbed" to "the USA was a pile of crap for using cluster bombs on a defeated enemy" to "the NHL isn't diluted and scoring is at normal levels right now."

Or . . . . arguing that the mainstream media has legitimacy!!

Just to name a few.

Wow.

Sure, and Dis thinks The Simpsons is filmed on a live sound stage too.

You know, he might be angry you said that. Besides, didn't you say he was the most intelligent poster here - aside from yourself of course - in one of your calmer, more functional moments.

Well I'm finally glad that you're begining to see the light. I'm not surprised that it took someone from the media to plant the thought in your head. Hard to believe that someone as supposedly intelligent as yourself never learned to think for yourself. When are you going to fingure out that Iraq is a sham and Bush is a moron? Do you have to wait for someone in the media to write that one into your consciousness as well?

That looks a little desperate there butterfingers since I'm on record in this forum from BEFORE the Iraq conflict as saying GW Bush needs to be turfed from office.

That's your position too isn't it?

You kill me.

Cowperson

[Daradon]

Because it's fun to watch the two of you argue, I'm going to bump this with a small but relevant addition.

I think the Boston globe article is right in it's thinking. But I don't think the terrorists are thinking that way. They see America as the enemy REGARDLESS of whom is at the helm.