Terror group beheads U.S. hostage

[Otto-matic]

When will this stop

When will they stop doing this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Maybe the people that these terrorists want released should be boiled in Oil on T.V.

I'm sick of these souless people hiding behind thier religion.

[Otto-matic]

Your 100% right Captain.

Im sick of hearing about there religon and they have to kill people just for the religon.

There going back to the stoneage and will hit rock bottom very soon.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Otto-matic@Sep 20 2004, 09:58 PM
When will this stop

When will they stop doing this.

Well, since it started with the occupation of Iraq, I guess the beheadings stop when the occupation stops.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Sep 20 2004, 10:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Sep 20 2004, 10:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Otto-matic@Sep 20 2004, 09:58 PM
When will this stop

When will they stop doing this.

Well, since it started with the occupation of Iraq, I guess the beheadings stop when the occupation stops. [/b][/quote]
Yeah cause before that they were only setting off car bombs, killing woman and children, and running into supermarkets with bombs strapped to thier chest

What an improvement

[FlamesAddiction]

Yeah right, that stuff happenned all the time in Iraq before the occupation.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch+Sep 20 2004, 10:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaptainCrunch @ Sep 20 2004, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Well, since it started with the occupation of Iraq, I guess the beheadings stop when the occupation stops.

Yeah cause before that they were only setting off car bombs, killing woman and children, and running into supermarkets with bombs strapped to thier chest

What an improvement [/b][/quote]
Um when did this happen in Iraq before, or are you just summarizing arab states in general for the sake of ease? Regardless it's a brutal act by total barbarians and sympathy to all involved.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by Flame On+Sep 20 2004, 10:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ Sep 20 2004, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yeah cause before that they were only setting off car bombs, killing woman and children, and running into supermarkets with bombs strapped to thier chest

What an improvement

Um when did this happen in Iraq before, or are you just summarizing arab states in general for the sake of ease? [/b][/quote]
A wack of these so called freedom fighters were trained in other countries and bought in to bolster these groups in Iraq. therefore its not a leap of logic to conclude if they weren't acting like animals in Iraq, they'd be doing it elsewhere.

What they're doing has very little to do with the betterment of thier people or fighting for thier freedom, and everything to do with becoming butchers in persuit of a religious doctrine that dosen't exist.

The difference between a civilized person and a uncivilized person is that a civillized person has a sense of compassion and mercy when they are in a position of strength. beheading innocent civilians is wrong simple.

If the American's were to act like these guys they would have been basically vaporized Iraq and not dealt with any of these problems, but there are all kinds of hassles given too them.

Sorry this is a vent from me, but he actions of these militants is so foreign to me, that I really don't see them as people anymore.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Sep 20 2004, 10:40 PM
therefore its not a leap of logic to conclude if they weren't acting like animals in Iraq, they'd be doing it elsewhere.

That's not true though.

If Canada or the U.S. were under foreign occupation, I guarentee you that there would be people from here acting out in violent ways when they otherwise would not. Personally, if either Canada or the U.S. was being invaded, you wouldn't be able to control my animal rage. Barring that situation however, I am as calm as a lamb. It's not unreasonable to think they the same applies to people in other countries.

Anyhoo, my original point was not to argue for or against the occupation, but only to point out the simple logic that the beheadings will stop when the Americans are out. It seems reasonable considering that before the occuaption, there were no beheadings of American mercenaries being posted on the internet.

[zarrell]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Sep 20 2004, 04:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Sep 20 2004, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Otto-matic@Sep 20 2004, 09:58 PM
When will this stop

When will they stop doing this.

Well, since it started with the occupation of Iraq, I guess the beheadings stop when the occupation stops. [/b][/quote]
So in your opinion FlamesAddiction, this is a justified responce?

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by zarrell+Sep 20 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (zarrell @ Sep 20 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Well, since it started with the occupation of Iraq, I guess the beheadings stop when the occupation stops.

So in your opinion FlamesAddiction, this is a justified responce? [/b][/quote]
I don't think he's justifying anything. He is simply stating his opinion on when the beheadings will end.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by albertGQ+Sep 21 2004, 12:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (albertGQ @ Sep 21 2004, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

So in your opinion FlamesAddiction, this is a justified responce?

I don't think he's justifying anything. He is simply stating his opinion on when the beheadings will end. [/b][/quote]
No, but I also don't think it's a justified occupation either.

When one unjustified action occurs, it opens the door for others. Revenge is an ugly demon. The U.S. can't say they weren't warned about what would happen.

[Crazy Flamer]

Let's add to the debate. Do you think we would see other forms of violence in Iraq worsen if the US pulled out, or would they subside? By violence I mean acts such as car bombs going off.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Crazy Flamer@Sep 21 2004, 12:21 AM
Let's add to the debate. Do you think we would see other forms of violence in Iraq worsen if the US pulled out, or would they subside? By violence I mean acts such as car bombs going off.

Now? Things would get worse if the U.S. pulled out. It's too to change their minds now.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Crazy Flamer@Sep 20 2004, 06:21 PM
Let's add to the debate. Do you think we would see other forms of violence in Iraq worsen if the US pulled out, or would they subside? By violence I mean acts such as car bombs going off.

They also beheaded 3 Kurds today which could complicate things even further. With or without the Americans over there, I think things are going to get worse before they get better.

That being said -- my armchair analysis thinks it could turn into an all-out civil war if the Americans left. But it seems as though it may have already started, so what do I know.

[Displaced Flames fan]

FlamesAddiction....justified occupation or not, the people responsible for this stuff aren't common Iraqi citizens who want US forces out of their country. What right do terrorist groups like ZAarqawi's have to come into the situation and dictate what the Iraqi people supposedly want?

I would like, for once, to see you just condemn the actions as unjustified regardless of what you think about the occupation. It would show me something about you. You always have to half way justify this crap.

They are afraid to show their faces. They are cowards.

[albertGQ]

What right do terrorist groups like ZAarqawi's have to come into the situation and dictate what the Iraqi people supposedly want?

It should also be noted that some Iraqi's view the US as a terrorist group. You can ask the same question to the States...........What right does a terrorist group like the US army have to come into a soverign country like Iraq and dictate what the Iraqi people supposedly want?.

Don't accuse me of justifying the beheadings either because I am not. I am just pointing out that there is more then one way to look at every situation

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Albert I would state that there is a much different thing between people who are collateral dammage or die unfortunantly and people who are murdered by having their heads chopped off. It seems to me as though that is a huge difference between the American Military and these terrorist groups. you may not view the invasion as a good thing but time will tell whether getting rid of Saddam was a positive for the people or a negative. I would tend to lean more towards the former than the latter.

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 21 2004, 02:28 AM
Albert I would state that there is a much different thing between people who are collateral dammage or die unfortunantly and people who are murdered by having their heads chopped off. It seems to me as though that is a huge difference between the American Military and these terrorist groups. you may not view the invasion as a good thing but time will tell whether getting rid of Saddam was a positive for the people or a negative. I would tend to lean more towards the former than the latter.

It may seem to YOU that way. But how it seems to YOU is irrelevant.

If you were a innicent citizen miles away from any military targets, and some foriegn military bombed your home, killed your family, with no reason other than they suspect militants may hide out their, how would you feel, it may seem diferent to you when your blood dies for no justifiable reason.

And lets say some militants do hide out in a public place or building, is it worth killing 20 innocent people to get at and murder two militants??

[HelloHockeyFans]

Just to add to the debate, you guys are right about collateral damage and how it cannot be compared with civilians who get kidnapped and beheaded.

I agree with the person up there who said that he finds it hard to consider these militants humans, because I too am against everything they do. On the flipside, I don't see the American soldiers who brutalized Iraqi prisoners in prison, and allegedley sodomized Iraqi children any better. In fact, I see these American soldiers as worse. Molesting a child, to me, is rock bottom.