Hamas Suicide Bomber Mastermind...meekly surrenders in his underwear.

[HOZ]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060523/...ilitant_arrest
Ibrahim Hamed emerged from the building before dawn and troops told him over a loudspeaker to strip to his underwear, witnesses said. Hamed complied, was cuffed and taken to a nearby building. Army officials said Hamed was armed and alone at the time of his capture

Here is a guy "that has sent teenagers and other zealots to their death by convincing them of the honor of suicide bombing attacks on unarmed civilians. Hamed himself masterminded such attacks on Hebrew University in Jerusalem, an outdoor cafe, and a pool hall, according to the AP. If suicide by terrorist bombing carries such a great honor, Hamed had the chance to go out with high honor indeed, attacking the hated IDF directly. Instead, he demonstrated the curious hypocrisy of terrorist leadership by taking a pass on killing himself and instead submitting ... to a bulldozer."


Quoted from Captain's Quarters blog.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Thats how these fanatics work. Brain wash young men and women who are down and out do to high unemployment and poor social standards. Then have them do the dirty work for 40 virgins in the afterlife.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Brain wash young men and women who are down and out do to high unemployment and poor social standards.

Isn't that the target demographic of the US Army too?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Isn't that the target demographic of the US Army too?

Have you ever been in the US Army?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Isn't that the target demographic of the US Army too?

Too easy, my friend. Too easy.

On a serious note, it doesn't surprise me at all that this guy himself isn't willing to put his life on the line. It might be silly to refer to suicide bombers themselves as cowards--though some people do it anyway. This guy really is a coward.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Have you ever been in the US Army?

Nope. I'm not in their target demographic.

Though, I'm not sure my statement is that controversial. Its pretty well known that the US military draws a large majority of their recruits from the lower income brackets, which happen to be populated by people who are "down and out due to high unemployment and poor social standards".

Looks like there are some similarities between the two cultures; they both use their downtrodden to do their fighting for them. Not many Senator's sons on either side.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Nope. I'm not in their target demographic.

Though, I'm not sure my statement is that controversial. Its pretty well known that the US military draws a large majority of their recruits from the lower income brackets, which happen to be populated by people who are "down and out due to high unemployment and poor social standards".

Looks like there are some similarities between the two cultures; they both use their downtrodden to do their fighting for them. Not many Senator's sons on either side.

Sure you are...you just never volunteered....


FOR ANYTHING. you just like talking abotu doing things without really having to do anything.
You are the UN of CP!!!!!!

[jolinar of malkshor]

I do have to conceed that there are similarities. But comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. In my opinion of course.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Sure you are...you just never volunteered....

I'm not a US citizen. Read a book.

FOR ANYTHING. you just like talking abotu doing things without really having to do anything.
You are the UN of CP!!!!!!

Ah yes, baseless slander. You're a discredit to the Cconservative element on CP. Shouldn't you be burning UNICEF boxes or something?

[Azure]

Nope. I'm not in their target demographic.

But you still know about it then, eh? Ever seen recruiters working the streets? I have and its actually really interesting and worthwhile to watch.

Though, I'm not sure my statement is that controversial. Its pretty well known that the US military draws a large majority of their recruits from the lower income brackets, which happen to be populated by people who are "down and out due to high unemployment and poor social standards".

And then they provide them with a sense of dicipline and education, then when they leave the military, most will have something to make of their life? US Special Forces medics have the same training as a civilian doctor, only without the certificate. Say what you will about how they are used, to me the training they recieve is amazing.

And they are not forced either.

Looks like there are some similarities between the two cultures; they both use their downtrodden to do their fighting for them. Not many Senator's sons on either side.

Good point. Maybe the US should get a draft then, so that the Senator's sons have to serve. Then they wouldn't be using the downtrodden to fight for them.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

But you still know about it then, eh? Ever seen recruiters working the streets? I have and its actually really interesting and worthwhile to watch.

I do know that the US military draws a large portion of their manpower from the 'lower economic classes' of the United States, populated mostly by blacks, hispanics, and white people. Most of them poor.

But you're right, I'm just pulling all of this out of 'common knowledge'. By all means, if I'm wrong, and the grunts all have degrees from Duke and Yale, feel free to show some stats and send me packing.

And then they provide them with a sense of dicipline and education, then when they leave the military, most will have something to make of their life? US Special Forces medics have the same training as a civilian doctor, only without the certificate. Say what you will about how they are used, to me the training they recieve is amazing.

And they are not forced either.

That all sounds good to me, I never said they were forced. Though, one could make the argument that living a poor lifestyle forces them to do stuff like work at McDonalds, steal, and join the army. Just as these (albeit much more) crappy lifestyles can push young Muslims into jobs/occupations they wouldn't take if they didn't have to.

Good point. Maybe the US should get a draft then, so that the Senator's sons have to serve. Then they wouldn't be using the downtrodden to fight for them.

Heartily Agree. Though I think US draft history pointed to the fact that even with the 'equal draft', the poor and minorities were still the most heavily drawn upon group.

But I like the idea. Maybe a draft for just those families whose net worth is over 1 million?

[Azure]

I do know that the US military draws a large portion of their manpower from the 'lower economic classes' of the United States, populated mostly by blacks, hispanics, and white people. Most of them poor.

Why is that such a big deal? To me they're helping those "poor" people.

But you're right, I'm just pulling all of this out of 'common knowledge'. By all means, if I'm wrong, and the grunts all have degrees from Duke and Yale, feel free to show some stats and send me packing.

Where did I ever say they have a degree from Duke and Yale?

That all sounds good to me, I never said they were forced. Though, one could make the argument that living a poor lifestyle forces them to do stuff like work at McDonalds, steal, and join the army. Just as these (albeit much more) crappy lifestyles can push young Muslims into jobs/occupations they wouldn't take if they didn't have to.

Very poor arguement. Pay in the military isn't exactly better then pay at McDonalds. And one could argue that you don't have to work as hard at McDonalds as you do in the military.

Heartily Agree. Though I think US draft history pointed to the fact that even with the 'equal draft', the poor and minorities were still the most heavily drawn upon group.

Link?

But I like the idea. Maybe a draft for just those families whose net worth is over 1 million?

Why not? IMO a draft should be for everyone that has their name in a government database.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Azure

US Special Forces medics have the same training as a civilian doctor, only without the certificate. Say what you will about how they are used, to me the training they recieve is amazing.

What? You mean my dad could have been a doctor with his US Army medic training? Wow, what a sucker for not going to medical school after being discharged.

The truth is that US Army Medical Corps Medics do not have the same training as a civilian doctor. They have trauma training intended to sustain life until the doctors can take over but they do not have the same training as a civilian doctor by any means.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Reaper

What? You mean my dad could have been a doctor with his US Army medic training? Wow, what a sucker for not going to medical school after being discharged.

The truth is that US Army Medical Corps Medics do not have the same training as a civilian doctor. They have trauma training intended to sustain life until the doctors can take over but they do not have the same training as a civilian doctor by any means.

Fair enough. My mistake. I went and checked it out, seems like a the Medics have the ability to serve as a emergency medical technician.

[HOZ]

Agamenmon...Terrorist apologist.


Nice mucking with the post. His hero recently went to Lebanon to hang with Terrrorists to slag the USA as the biggest terorist state in the world.

What is his name?

HINT: Make well into the mid 6 figures. Works at MIT. World famous for Linguistics. Likes to BS about politics. Lies abot what he said about Cambodia.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Agamenmon...Terrorist apologist.


Nice mucking with the post. His hero recently went to Lebanon to hang with Terrrorists to slag the USA as the biggest terorist state in the world.

What is his name?

HINT: Make well into the mid 6 figures. Works at MIT. World famous for Linguistics. Likes to BS about politics. Lies abot what he said about Cambodia.

Go read some Ann Coulter.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Isn't that the target demographic of the US Army too?

Do you know anyone in the US/Canadian/Australia/UK Army or are you a card-carrying member of the NDP?

MYK

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why is that such a big deal? To me they're helping those "poor" people.



Where did I ever say they have a degree from Duke and Yale?



Very poor arguement. Pay in the military isn't exactly better then pay at McDonalds. And one could argue that you don't have to work as hard at McDonalds as you do in the military.



Link?



Why not? IMO a draft should be for everyone that has their name in a government database.

Maybe you should check some figures first before you go claiming that McDonalds pays almost the same as the military.

The average salary in the military with housing, food, tax exemptions and healthcare is $42,000.

Yes when you first startout you make less, just like any other job. Starting wage in the US army for the lowest rank is $15,000 per year without any of the perks and not including up to $40,000 in signing bonuses.

McDonalds in the USA usually pays minimum wage which in a lot of states is only $5.15 an hour. Can go up to $8.50 an hour in CA but non the less very minimum. SSo lets see working at the highest rate of $8.50 per hour one would make 17,680 per year. No bonuses, no tax exemption, no hiring bonus. You might get a free unifrom and a discount on food. So I think the pay in the US armed forces is much better than McDonalds.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Maybe you should check some figures first before you go claiming that McDonalds pays almost the same as the military.

The average salary in the military with housing, food, tax exemptions and healthcare is $42,000.

Yes when you first startout you make less, just like any other job. Starting wage in the US army for the lowest rank is $15,000 per year without any of the perks and not including up to $40,000 in signing bonuses.

McDonalds in the USA usually pays minimum wage which in a lot of states is only $5.15 an hour. Can go up to $8.50 an hour in CA but non the less very minimum. SSo lets see working at the highest rate of $8.50 per hour one would make 17,680 per year. No bonuses, no tax exemption, no hiring bonus. You might get a free unifrom and a discount on food. So I think the pay in the US armed forces is much better than McDonalds.

You have links to any of that? My brother in his first year of service made around 17,000 per year. At the same time, me, working at a fast-food resturant in Pincher Creek was making around 20,000 per year, if I work 8 hour days. Being a student that is impossible.

Sure its Canada and the US, different wages, and such, but there is no way a first year military man would make more then 20 grand.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why is that such a big deal? To me they're helping those "poor" people.

I didn't say it was a big deal, nor did I say it was wrong. All I said is soldiers (of most nationalities) tend to be drawn from poorer segments of society. I'm surprised you're worrying over that assertion that much...

Where did I ever say they have a degree from Duke and Yale?

I never said you did. Just because I say something to illustrate an example does not mean I'm quoting you or referring to a specific point you've made. Figure it out.

Very poor arguement. Pay in the military isn't exactly better then pay at McDonalds. And one could argue that you don't have to work as hard at McDonalds as you do in the military.

Sorry, what is my argument? I thought it was that poor people had to do crappy jobs (McDonalds, the Army). Thats it. If you disagree, say so.

Link?

The Vietnam War. I _really_ don't feel like I should bust my ass searching for info I'm positive exists. The draft (it has been argued, by many, many people) allowed for the drafting of many poor people, whereas many of the wealthy were allowed to 'skip out' (mainly by going to college... something that, believe it or not, poor people usually can't afford).

Why not? IMO a draft should be for everyone that has their name in a government database.

I hear ya... unfortunately the last draft allowed for exceptions.