2004 Reasons to Boot Bush...

[Lanny_MacDonald]

They would be good for a laugh if they weren't true.

First thousand...

Second thousand...

:wave:

[Displaced Flames fan]

Give me 10 reasons to elect Kerry.

[Jaybo]

1. He's not Bush
2. He's not Bush
3. He's not Bush
4. He's not Bush
5. He's not Bush
6. He's not Bush
7. He's not Bush
8. He's not Bush
9. He's not Bush
10. He's not Bush

[troutman]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 09:27 PM
Give me 10 reasons to elect Kerry.

I think Lanny just gave you 2004 reasons. Or maybe you would prefer Nader?

[peter12]

I'm pretty sure if it's broke you should fix it Dis.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Thanks for proving my point fellas.

Kerry can't do it, and you can't do it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by peter12@Sep 16 2004, 09:36 PM
I'm pretty sure if it's broke you should fix it Dis.

and how will Kerry fix it Peter12?

He certainly hasn't told me how he will and has given me no reason to believe he's capable of it?

[peter12]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Sep 16 2004, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Sep 16 2004, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Sep 16 2004, 09:36 PM
I'm pretty sure if it's broke you should fix it Dis.

and how will Kerry fix it Peter12?

He certainly hasn't told me how he will and has given me no reason to believe he's capable of it? [/b][/quote]
But you can also let Bush continually rub America's face in the dirt?

[calculoso]

I agree with Displaced...

I haven't read the list, but if Bush is still better than anyone else running then:
( a ) Bush should be re-elected
( b ) American politics is in an extremely sad state of affairs.

Simply saying "He's not Bush" isn't reason enough to consider anyone better than Bush. Take Canadian politics.. if it was Smilin' Jack Layton vs Jean Chretien, it wouldn't be enough for Layton to simply be "Not Chretien" for him to be better (I wouldn't hesitate to say that Layton would be worse than Chretien for the country).

Now, I'm not following the American election at all, so there may be obvious reasons why Kerry is better than Bush. Simply saying "he's not Bush" isn't enough though...

[calculoso]

Originally posted by peter12@Sep 16 2004, 03:42 PM
But you can also let Bush continually rub America's face in the dirt?

Isn't having their face rubbed in dirt better than digging up 3 feet of dirt and having it dumped on them?

(Not saying that Kerry is better/worse than Bush, but things CAN get worse if the wrong person is chosen)

[peter12]

Originally posted by calculoso+Sep 16 2004, 03:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calculoso @ Sep 16 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Sep 16 2004, 03:42 PM
But you can also let Bush continually rub America's face in the dirt?

Isn't having their face rubbed in dirt better than digging up 3 feet of dirt and having it dumped on them?

(Not saying that Kerry is better/worse than Bush, but things CAN get worse if the wrong person is chosen) [/b][/quote]
Kerry is a Democrat not a nutcase NDPer. How can anyone not admit that Bush has done an awful job?

man im slow today

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by peter12+Sep 16 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peter12 @ Sep 16 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

and how will Kerry fix it Peter12?

He certainly hasn't told me how he will and has given me no reason to believe he's capable of it?

But you can also let Bush continually rub America's face in the dirt? [/b][/quote]
I'm not going to replace a known with an unknown.

Sorry, I'm not that stupid.

You guys can't even come up with a reason why I should vote for Kerry other than he's not Bush. Kerry himself REFUSES to say why I should vote for him excpept that he's not Bush.

It's like saying Brian Sutter had to be fired. Who should be the next coach? ANYBODY but Sutter. That was the common theme around here in the last days of Sutter. How did that turn out?

IT amazes me after all this time that some people STILL can't see my point on this.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Sep 16 2004, 03:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Sep 16 2004, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

But you can also let Bush continually rub America's face in the dirt?

I'm not going to replace a known with an unknown.

Sorry, I'm not that stupid.

You guys can't even come up with a reason why I should vote for Kerry other than he's not Bush. Kerry himself REFUSES to say why I should vote for him excpept that he's not Bush.

It's like saying Brian Sutter had to be fired. Who should be the next coach? ANYBODY but Sutter. That was the common theme around here in the last days of Sutter. How did that turn out?

IT amazes me after all this time that some people STILL can't see my point on this. [/b][/quote]
So Dis heres the question... do you or do you not like Bush? It is not a good idea to vote for a guy simply because he is a known evil. Why vote at all?

[calculoso]

Originally posted by peter12@Sep 16 2004, 03:47 PM
Kerry is a Democrat not a nutcase NDPer. How can anyone not admit that Bush has done an awful job?

The point that is trying to be made is that you have to make sure that whoever replaces Bush HAS to do a BETTER job. If you can't guarantee that, why take Bush out?

It's like the NHL. If they're losing $300 million a year, they're not going to replace the system with one where they'll lose $350 million a year. There's no sense in replacing something with something that's worse. If you can guarantee that something is going to be better, then there's reason to change.

[troutman]

His campaign has been...

1. I'm a Vietnam War hero
2. I'm not George Bush.

Really? Is that what you think? If you want to look at things that simplistically, then Bush's campaign has been . . . 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, praise the lord.

Well if you want some positive reason to vote for Kerry, try:

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

Read about His Plan for America (you can download DETAILED plans):

National Security
Economy & Jobs
Health Care
Energy Independence
Homeland Security
Education
Environment

More Issues...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by peter12@Sep 16 2004, 09:50 PM

So Dis heres the question... do you or do you not like Bush? It is not a good idea to vote for a guy simply because he is a known evil. Why vote at all?

I like Bush. I don't love Bush. I don't agree with everything the guy has done. He's not a great President. He isn't the evil he's made out to be either.

All I have to go on with Kerry is his Senate record, which frankly, is pretty unimpressive as far as creating legislation...and is less than impressive when it comes to his voting vs. my idealogy.

Kerry hasn't set forth an ounce of ideas in this campaign.

His campaign has been...

1. I'm a Vietnam War hero
2. I'm not George Bush.

I'm sorry, but that's not enough for me.

[peter12]

Originally posted by calculoso+Sep 16 2004, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calculoso @ Sep 16 2004, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Sep 16 2004, 03:47 PM
Kerry is a Democrat not a nutcase NDPer. How can anyone not admit that Bush has done an awful job?

The point that is trying to be made is that you have to make sure that whoever replaces Bush HAS to do a BETTER job. If you can't guarantee that, why take Bush out?

It's like the NHL. If they're losing $300 million a year, they're not going to replace the system with one where they'll lose $350 million a year. There's no sense in replacing something with something that's worse. If you can guarantee that something is going to be better, then there's reason to change. [/b][/quote]
I saw your point. The point I made in my previous post was why vote for Bush then? American politics are really a big mess.

[Lurch]

Not sure if I can come up with 10 off the top of my head, but:

1. Repeal tax cuts at the top of society. These cuts really serve no purpose as a wide number of economists have reported (I posted the link somewhere on this board, but I don't have time to try and dig it up again.)
2. Kerry has the intellect to understand the world is full of nuance, grey and compromise. Bush does not. Although Americans seem to think this is a weakness a lot of the time as the shoot first ask questions later president is admired for his simplistic worldview.
3. Kerry would get help in Iraq. Face facts - no one outside of US likes Bush and it is politically dangerous for any other leader in the world to hitch his wagon to Bush.
4. The media will hopefully get back to critical reporting. I've never witnessed a national media so united in the US - its actually quite scary.
5. Kerry is a much less divisive figure than Bush. He may be bland, but outside of a few Swifties, I doubt he inspires hatred in many people. I fail to see how someone who inspires absolute dislike at the least from 30% to 40% of the populace can be seen as a leader. Effective government requires tacit approval from the minority, and Bush fails miserably on this measure.
6. Kerry can restore accountability to the gov't. With Republicans in charge of all houses, it seems to me that many things got pushed through without due investigation and perhaps some of the disasters would have been avoided with some genuine review, i.e. Halliburton contracts for #1.
7. I wouldn't have to listen to another "God wanted me to do this" speech. These are scary.
8. Kerry could hopefully put to bed these moronic conspiracy theory stories. I think a lot of them are still ongoing b/c people distrust the widespread control of media and all branches of gov't the Republicans have.
9. Kerry represents a move back towards a moderate stance in the US. IMO, if terrorism is to be beaten, it won't be at the barrel of a gun except as a last resort. It's an incredibly fine line between a pre-emptive war of self defense (if you even accept this as possible) and an aggresive regime spreading its influence through military power.
10. Kerry has exhibited a lifelong dedication to his country, agree with him or not. Bush has exhibited a lifelong dedication to his personal pleasure, and I don't see that this has changed, i.e. most days on holiday of any president despite the fact that the country was undergoing the most turbulent presidency since the '60's.

[calculoso]

Originally posted by peter12@Sep 16 2004, 03:54 PM
I saw your point. The point I made in my previous post was why vote for Bush then? American politics are really a big mess.

Voting is about choosing who you think is best. If Bush is the best of a bad lot, he should get the vote.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 16 2004, 09:27 PM
Give me 10 reasons to elect Kerry.

1. Kerry didn't lie to the American people about WMD to get into Iraq.

2. Kerry hasn't run up a record deficit.

3. Kerry hasn't lost more than a million jobs more than have been created.

4. Kerry isn't a war monger focused on expanding the conflict into other threatres of war. He understands war is hell and doesn't want to subject innocent Americans to it first hand unless absolutely needed.

5. Kerry can say the word "nuclear" and doesn't commit atrocities against the english language every time he speaks.

6. Kerry hasn't sold the enviornment down the river in favor of big business.

7. Kerry doesn't have direct relationships with the family of the most wanted terrorist on earth.

8. Kerry doesn't have "Patriot Act II: We strip away more civil liberties" on the boards for introduction to a congress near you.

9. Kerry doesn't harp on about the "Axis of Evil", who have no connection to one another, are not aligned in any shape of form, and have made no pact to harm America.

10. Kerry doesn't surround himself with a bunch of PNAC neo-conservative wackos who are bent on world domination.

Bouns reason...

11. Kerry will let 9/11 die with dignity and not bring it up in an effort to scare the crap out of the country at every turn of the road.