DeLay defends religion in politics

[Cheese]

“God always does his best work after a crucifixion,” Scarborough said, referring to DeLay’s recent troubles. The former majority leader faces a difficult re-election race in the wake of his indictments on money-laundering and conspiracy in Texas.

DeLay defends

Vision America is a religiously active organization that encourages religious activism within politics.

Vision America

Heres a lovely article from the "right sided" Visioneer, Rick Scarborough himself..

Judicial atheism: Separation of God and state

So..how would you feel if a Canadian Political Party was supported by a group like this? Do you think that its important for:

• Religion to be represented in politics?
• A complete and total split between religion and politics?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Its wackos like these guys that make the United States a dangerous country. At times I just want to move to some secluded island and cut off all contact with the outside world. Those times are normally after talking wth someone like this.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Vision America is a religiously active organization that encourages religious activism within politics.

They should really be more specific: They don't support religious activism within Politics, they support Judeo-Christian values in Politics.

[RougeUnderoos]

Looking around at all the millions of divorces and the downfall of Canadian civilization since the gay marriage thing passed, I must concede that they might have a point. We need more churchifying!

I wonder though, has there ever been a time that there weren't pious hypocrites moaning about morality and how we should turn back the clock to "the good old days"?

Anyone who listens to Tom DeLay talk about morality is a moron.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Looking around at all the millions of divorces and the downfall of Canadian civilization since the gay marriage thing passed, I must concede that they might have a point. We need more churchifying!

I wonder though, has there ever been a time that there weren't pious hypocrites moaning about morality and how we should turn back the clock to "the good old days"?

Anyone who listens to Tom DeLay talk about morality is a moron.

Depends what century your talking about Rouge....I would think that before the 20th Century the Church and its political cronies had a pretty good stranglehold on what people could do or think.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Depends what century your talking about Rouge....I would think that before the 20th Century the Church and its political cronies had a pretty good stranglehold on what people could do or think.

I don't know. I'd gamble that in the late 19th century their were plenty of good Christian politicians and church types in the States that wanted things to go back to how they were in, say, 1859. Much like these people are saying today's society should go back to 1959.

It's human nature to complain. Throughout history there must have been some group or other saying "we've lost our way, God will be angry, bla bla bla". No matter how "godly" or "moral" a society gets, they'll be someone saying that's not godly enough. I'm sure even the cavemen had some 25 year-old geezers saying "when I was a kid, things were different, we respected the Great Fire."

[troutman]

Onward, Christian Soldiers: Religious Right Conferees Plan Their Attack

http://blog.au.org/2006/03/onward_christia.html

The Religious Right’s latest agenda and rhetorical flourishes: The speakers primarily focused on slamming Hollywood, the media, gays, public schools and federal judges as people and institutions out to destroy what the conference’s leaders constantly referred to as a godly nation. Dr. Laurence White, a Lutheran pastor from Texas, declared America “is no longer good” and warned that if evangelical Christians did not stand against liberal America that “God will and should judge America.”

DeLay said repeatedly that America is “not an accident.” The nation was created by God, blessed with great success by God and given the purpose of protecting and spreading American-style democracy worldwide.

“The United States, the freedoms that we enjoy, the unprecedented success of our shared history are not an accident,” said DeLay. “It is not an accident that the most church-going nation in the world is also the richest and strongest. It is not an accident that the most faithful, hopeful and charitable nation on earth is also the one most hated by the forces of evil – be they Nazi, communist or terrorist.

“We are,” he continued, “a providential nation, serving the cause of justice and freedom everywhere in the world. “For more than 200 years, every time the history of human freedom has needed a champion to rise against a new and terrifying enemy, an American of faith has risen.”


Why Separate Church and State?

http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues

Separation of church and state is the only principle that can ensure religious and philosophical freedom for all Americans. Church-state separation does not mean hostility toward religion. Rather, it means that the government will remain neutral on religious questions, leaving decisions about God, faith and house of worship attendance in the hands of its citizens.


The Religious Right's "Greatest" Quotes:


http://www.au.org/site/DocServer/The....pdf?docID=221

[Cheese]

Gotta love that Pat Robertson...it amazes me that there are people dumb enough to listen to and donate MONEY to him...

“When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a
firestorm. ‘What do you mean?’ the media challenged me. ‘You’re not going to bring atheists into the government?
How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America
than Hindus and Muslims?’ My simple answer is, ‘Yes, they are.’”

“We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God’s eye and said we’re going to legislate you out of the
schools. We’re going to take your commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states. We’re not going
to let little children read the commandments of God. We’re not going to let the Bible be read, no prayer in our
schools. We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And, then we say, ‘Why does this happen?’
Well, why it’s happening is that God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.”

[CaramonLS]

Where did you find those quotes Cheese?

Robertson is really something else.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Is there a place for religious activism in American politics?

Absolutely. There is a place for every kind of activism you can think of that doesn't break laws (and even a few that do).

Should the religious right be allowed to hijack an entire political party because it happens to be the party of choice in the US right now?

Nope. That's why it's up to Republicans to reject religious activist candidates even if it means breaking party lines. I've done it, and I'll do it again.

DeLay is scum and Robertson is just nuts.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cheese

• Religion to be represented in politics?
• A complete and total split between religion and politics?

Should religion be represented? Well, that all depends on what the voting public wants, which should hopefully be dictated by how they vote. Forcing a split or link between politics and religion is not democratic.

If the majority wants religion influencing politics, then it should be. If a minority wants it, then they have the right to organize and form special interest lobby groups to argue their cause.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Where did you find those quotes Cheese?

Robertson is really something else.

in troutmans last link...famous quotes. Theres a ton of em.

[Vulcan]

I believe in god but after reading Pat Robertson, I feel like I've been wading through piles of merde. Very disturbing and i don't want touch his thoughts again with a ten foot pole.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I believe in god but after reading Pat Robertson, I feel like I've been wading through piles of merde. Very disturbing and i don't want touch his thoughts again with a ten foot pole.

How freaking stupid do you have to be to listen to that guy? I really find it unbelievable that functioning, educated adults would believe what that con man says, and give him money so he can keep saying it.

Pretty good racket for Pat though, I'll give him that. There really is one born every minute, and a lot of them are filling his boots quite nicely.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

How freaking stupid do you have to be to listen to that guy? I really find it unbelievable that functioning, educated adults would believe what that con man says, and give him money so he can keep saying it.

Pretty good racket for Pat though, I'll give him that. There really is one born every minute, and a lot of them are filling his boots quite nicely.

I hope you are not calling me "freakin stupid" and you are using "you" in general terms.

I think it is a lousy racket, leading people down the garden path while preaching an exclusionary doctrine. Sickening.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I hope you are not calling me "freakin stupid" and you are using "you" in general terms.

No no no. Sorry, your Robertson post was sort of randomly picked as a reference point. I'm pretty thick, but even I couldn't misinterpret what you said badly enough to think you were a follower.

I think it is a lousy racket, leading people down the garden path while preaching an exclusionary doctrine. Sickening.

Oh sure, it's a lousy racket, but it's good for Pat because Pat is a crook. In his wikipedia bio there is a blurb about how he begged his 700 Club listeners to donate money to help fly some refugees out of Rwanda. Turns out that the flights weren't rescuing refugees but instead ferrying around equipment for a diamond mine in Liberia that Pat happens to own. Sickening just about sums it up.

[Cheese]

Patty boy isnt alone though....there are literally hundreds or thousands of these shucksters. Turn on your TV and change it to the religious channel and try watching it for a few hours....Im sure Benny Hinn will make most of you want to convert!

How about these from "Focus on the Family's" James Dobson..

“Do we as Christians need to be liked so badly that we chose to remain silent in response to the killing of babies, the spreading of homosexual propaganda to our children, the distribution of condoms and immoral advice to our teenagers, and the undermining of marriage as an institution? Would Jesus have ignored these wicked activities? Would the One who severely threatened those who would harm a child have ignored the bloody hands of today’s abortionists? No, I am convinced that he would be the first to condemn sin in high places, and I doubt if he would have minced words in making the point.”

“Without question in my mind, the greatest danger to our moral perspective and to the family and indeed to the nation is the homosexual activist movement.... Homosexuals want it all. They want everything.… They want it all, and what’s scary about it is they’re getting it all.”

and then Coral Ridge Ministries D. James Kennedy...

“How much more forcefully can I say it? The time has come, and it is long overdue, when Christians and conservatives and all men and women who believe in the birthright of freedom must rise up and reclaim America for
Jesus Christ.”

“Christians did not start the culture war but...we are going to end it. That is a fact, and the Bible assures us of victory.”