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Cheese · 03-20-2006, 11:14 AM

seems to be setup now....looks like a cool opportunity to be the lead singer for a new band....

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Forget about Van Halen or Alice in Chains. The latest act auditioning singers on CBS' Rock Star technically doesn't even exist yet. And that's the way producers like it.
For the talent contest's second season, the network is offering the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for wannabe J.D. Fortunes to join Supernova, a new band composed of Mòtley Crue drummer Tommy Lee, former Metallica bassist Jason Newsted and ex-Guns N' Roses guitarist Gilby Clarke.

Next Rockstar

Barnes · 03-20-2006, 12:26 PM

Good news. I loved the first go round even though I am not a fan of INXS.

Regulator75 · 03-20-2006, 01:10 PM

I didn't mind Rockstar either, sure beats the crap out of idol and what not.
At least they are semi-talented.
It would be great to see Jason Newsted slapping his Bass again on TV.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-20-2006, 05:23 PM

What the hell is Jason Newsted thinking?

He left Metallica because they were straying into a more pop oriented sound. Now he's going to allow reality TV to choose a singer for his band....a band that includes *gulp* Tommy Lee?

Man, and to think I actually respected Jason for doing what he did.

Alice in Chains was approached about doing this and they flat out refused. Thank God.

Jayems · 03-20-2006, 11:14 PM

regardless, sounds like a cool band.

rockstar · 03-20-2006, 11:29 PM

Boo....can I change my name?

This is everything that's wrong with the music industry, summed up into one terrible idea for a show.

liamenator · 03-21-2006, 01:19 AM

The supergroup is a format that has never worked.

Egos are too big when a bunch of established guys get together.

It's obviously a cash grab.. and, all power to them if thats what they want to do.. but... I think any credibility any of these guys had has gone out the window. I could have seen Tommy Lee going for this, but the other guys? I'm surprised.

It'd be nice if Velvet Revolver would kick that low-rider jeans, no-shirt wearing, no-talent, junkie hack out and sign up for season 3... Maybe Axl would audition!!!

Deelow · 03-21-2006, 01:44 AM

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What the hell is Jason Newsted thinking?

He left Metallica because they were straying into a more pop oriented sound. Now he's going to allow reality TV to choose a singer for his band....a band that includes *gulp* Tommy Lee?

Man, and to think I actually respected Jason for doing what he did.

Alice in Chains was approached about doing this and they flat out refused. Thank God.

I thought he left Metallica because the two tyrants wouldn't let him be in his little echobrain side project?

Inferno · 03-21-2006, 01:45 AM

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He left Metallica because they were straying into a more pop oriented sound.

The direction they were going musically had nothing do with it. He left because Hetfield wouldnt let him do side projects(Echobrain). Something he would have been able to do had he stayed and gone through therapy with the rest of the band since that helped Hetfield break the control problem he had. He also would have been able to get something else he always wanted which was more input into the songs and lyrics since lyrics for St. Anger were done as a group and not just Hetfield.

ernie · 03-21-2006, 08:54 AM

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I thought he left Metallica because the two tyrants wouldn't let him be in his little echobrain side project?

That is exactly why he left. That and Lars and mainly James controlled every single note that's played and every lyric that is written, who plays the notes and who sings the lyrics etc. They've lightened up as they were probably close to losing Hammett and the entire band as well.

Igottago · 03-21-2006, 10:35 AM

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Alice in Chains was approached about doing this and they flat out refused. Thank God.

Yeah, I heard about that too...can you imagine songs about heroin addiction being played on a primetime television reality show?? By someone other than Layne Staley? Glad they had the sense to turn it down and respect their legacy.

I might actually tune in to this one just to laugh. As Rockstar put it, this is what's wrong with music today..and pop culture.

Cheese · 03-21-2006, 11:25 AM

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Yeah, I heard about that too...can you imagine songs about heroin addiction being played on a primetime television reality show?? By someone other than Layne Staley? Glad they had the sense to turn it down and respect their legacy.

I might actually tune in to this one just to laugh. As Rockstar put it, this is what's wrong with music today..and pop culture.

Really? I find this thought amusing as "pop" music or" popular" music is what the mainstream wants. I think the "problem" with todays music lays on the Rap side....its created a generation of gangsta's and wannabe "wiggers".
I think that Rockstar INXS was very popular because it played to the mainstream and did it with fun and pizzaz, and it also showcased some talent that may not have received a break otherwise, and that in itself is great! Good on Canadian born JD Fortune for getting his 15 minutes of fame! Something each and every person wishes to attain!...this something is missing from the entire Hip Hop scene. It plays to a specific crowd, and because of those specifics it will always be contained within walls. IF people didnt like the format they wouldnt support the show.

Inferno · 03-21-2006, 11:36 AM

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That is exactly why he left. That and Lars and mainly James controlled every single note that's played and every lyric that is written, who plays the notes and who sings the lyrics etc. They've lightened up as they were probably close to losing Hammett and the entire band as well.

It was actually just Hetfield who had the problem with him doing Echobrain. Lars and Hammett had no problems with it. Newsted even confirmed it on MTV: Icon by saying "I was disrespected by the man I respected the most so I had to step out".

Up until now Hetfield thought that if he wanted someone close to him to stay in his life he had to stop them from doing things that he thought could threaten them being in his life. This was due to his dad leaving his mom when he was about 12 and his mom dieing of cancer before he graduated highschool. Cliff Burton dieing in '86 probably was part of it too. He was afraid that if he let Newsted do Echobrain that he might enjoy it more and leave Metallica for it. Something that Newsted said was ridiculous and something Hetfield now realizes was ridiculous.

But I cant say I miss Newsted all that much. Trujillo's style is much more like Burton's and seems to bring a positive vibe to the band since he's very outgoing. I heard that when Newsted was in the band he kind of kept to himself most of the time and let off a negative vibe to the rest of the band.

Igottago · 03-21-2006, 02:22 PM

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Really? I find this thought amusing as "pop" music or" popular" music is what the mainstream wants. I think the "problem" with todays music lays on the Rap side....its created a generation of gangsta's and wannabe "wiggers".
I think that Rockstar INXS was very popular because it played to the mainstream and did it with fun and pizzaz, and it also showcased some talent that may not have received a break otherwise, and that in itself is great! Good on Canadian born JD Fortune for getting his 15 minutes of fame! Something each and every person wishes to attain!...this something is missing from the entire Hip Hop scene. It plays to a specific crowd, and because of those specifics it will always be contained within walls. IF people didnt like the format they wouldnt support the show.

How can you blame watered down generic rock on rap?? What does that have to do with anything? There's a lot of good rap out there, you just dont see it on Muchmusic. Just like there's a lot of good rock out there...not what you'll be seeing on Rockstar. I don't want to turn this into the Nickelback/Juno thread again. You say Rockstar just gives the people what they want...fine, but so does muchmusic when it plays 50 cent all the time...so why you would simply blame one genre of music is beyond me.

JohnnyO · 03-21-2006, 03:09 PM

mmmm Brooke Burke

Displaced Flames fan · 03-21-2006, 04:00 PM

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I thought he left Metallica because the two tyrants wouldn't let him be in his little echobrain side project?

That too. I saw an interview post exit in which he intimated that their musical direction 'did not kick ass'.

Cheese · 03-21-2006, 04:25 PM

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How can you blame watered down generic rock on rap?? What does that have to do with anything? There's a lot of good rap out there, you just dont see it on Muchmusic. Just like there's a lot of good rock out there...not what you'll be seeing on Rockstar. I don't want to turn this into the Nickelback/Juno thread again. You say Rockstar just gives the people what they want...fine, but so does muchmusic when it plays 50 cent all the time...so why you would simply blame one genre of music is beyond me.

If you refer to my post...and see what I highlited, youll see what im referring to. Its really quite simple.

You said...

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I might actually tune in to this one just to laugh. As Rockstar put it, this is what's wrong with music today..and pop culture.

And I came back saying that I do not think "pop" music is at fault for anything. Pop music in fact is what is "popular" with the fans who listen to it. Rap does not cross any bridge...it is popular amongst Gangstas and Wiggers and not much else....hence it not being "pop" music. I can watch other types of music on that channel as well, but that does not mean it is "pop" music.
If you are a Rap fan...or alternative fan or metal fan you would suggest something like...this is what's wrong with music today..and pop culture.
I personally dont mind it when compared to....Rap. BY a COUNTRY mile!
I do like alternative, metal, and many other varieties of music...but I do not confuse them with "pop" music.

Hack&Lube · 03-21-2006, 05:20 PM

I'm just hoping we can get some good ol' fashioned metal out of these guys.

Rock Star INXS was a different matter, INXS was always a dance-pop/rock band. It was still great to hear all the candidates and the great backing band behind them that played for everybody go through so many classics. Rock Star was one of the few reality shows (and the only music one) I actually enjoyed.

Now making a supergroup out of has-beens (well maybe) instead of a poignant lifelong band who lost their lead singer might have it's drawbacks. But I still just want to see actually talented journeymen muscians give it their shot and perform recognizable rock classics instead of the swill you get with the amateur rejects on American Idol.

I originally heard that it was going to be Van Halen and I'm not sure if I'm glad or disappointed its not them. I still believe Van Halen will never get over their everything unless they put aside their problems and get back with David Lee Roth for one reunion tour and an album - then they can move on. I just can't imagine anybody in one of these contests fronting Van Halen. I guess slapping a new singer onto a slapped together band makes more sense.

One more plus is the global nature of this contest compared to all the other reality shows that are just oh so American (or the feeble Canadian Idol). I hope they audition in Europe, Australia, and Canada (at least) again. We ended up with two great Canadian talents in the top four last time around and everybody knows the story of J.D. Fortune now. They say that contestants from the first one may be asked back.

The one big problem is that Supernova has no material so we lose the whole "sing the band's songs to avoid elimination" thing and the whole aspect of fitting the mold is tossed so it's really a big crapshoot to see what sounds and sells the best now, which may not be for the best musically or creatively - you end up with more popular swill unless they really do keep the tone down to rock and metal with guests like Slash and Rob Zombie like Navarro says.

Igottago · 03-21-2006, 06:24 PM

[quote=Cheese] Rap does not cross any bridge...it is popular amongst Gangstas and Wiggers and not much else....hence it not being "pop" music.
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a lot of rap music is popular and is listened to by a variety of people..not just "gangstas and wiggers" as you would put it. Look at Kanye West...I would classify him as rap, and he is very popular.

Cheese · 03-21-2006, 06:55 PM

[quote=Igottago][quote=Cheese] Rap does not cross any bridge...it is popular amongst Gangstas and Wiggers and not much else....hence it not being "pop" music.

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a lot of rap music is popular and is listened to by a variety of people..not just "gangstas and wiggers" as you would put it. Look at Kanye West...I would classify him as rap, and he is very popular.

Kanye West is more of a cross over...more hip hop/R&B. Same with some of the stuff that came out a few years ago from Outkast with songs like Hey ya, and a few other songs. Even they realized what mainstream is. That album probably sold a pile to the general public...but not for the pure rap on that album. I havent gone to a party with "older" people...LOL... who listen to all types of music, specifically put a Rap CD on to play. I have heard just about every other genre at parties from people in their 20s to their 60s.
We are now seeing a good deal of Black singers going back to the R&B side of things....and I am very happy about that. R&B has a far better chance of being succesful to the mainstream....and staying in the mainstream. Of course image has a lot to do with it too...and I think the Rap industry image is not an image the majority would feel comfortable with.
Pop music is Top 40....it is sing a long, tap along, hum along music. INXS was that genre...who knows what the next version will really be?
As to the idea that Rap is cross generational...I think thats pretty much bunk.