9/11 Conspiracy documentary

[Jiggy_12]

This is a google video, about 80 minutes long, and its all about possible conspiracies revolving around 9/11 and the world trade centre.

Who knows how much of this stuff is just coincidence, but its an interesting video to watch if you have some time to kill.

http://worksafevideos.com/movies/world_trade_center.php

thoughts?

[Frank the Tank]

Thoughts? Its all crap and insulting to everyone that died that day.

[ken0042]

I have seen some conspiracy videos in the past; not sure if this is the same one or not.

The "evidence" that the WTC planes were carrying weapons calls for somebody to look at a blurry shadow under the plane. Keep in mind the cameras used at the time were meant to show a building on fire; not a plane coming in.

The Pentagon; it does leave the question as what happened to the wreckage of the plane. My guess with it being such an important federal building is that the plane was shot down just before it would have hit, and a stray missile hit the Pentagon.

Keep in mind that the Washington bound planes both missed their targets. They were supposed to hit the White House and the Capitol building.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by ken0042

The Pentagon; it does leave the question as what happened to the wreckage of the plane. My guess with it being such an important federal building is that the plane was shot down just before it would have hit, and a stray missile hit the Pentagon.

It's what aluminium does when it hits a reinforced concrete steel building at high speed loaded with jet fuel.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Thoughts? Its all crap and insulting to everyone that died that day.

How is it insulting or disrespectful in any manor?

The only thing its trying to insult is the American government.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by fotze

My wife is part jewish and we got a curious call that morning saying "Don't go to work if you work in the World Trade Center....this is a recording if you want a great realtor phone Greg Ramage for all your realty needs". It has puzzled me to this day.

Really?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

It's what aluminium does when it hits a reinforced concrete steel building at high speed loaded with jet fuel.

Before I begin, let me say that I strongly believe that 9/11 was entirely carried out by terrorists.

What they showed on the video I saw was a scale map showing the pentagon. Then they placed a grid over it, then placed a scale outline of a plane over top of the hole. The hole was smaller than the plane.

And in the wreckage of the WTC towers, they still found identifiable pieces of the planes. They even found the remains of a tire. But at the Pentagon- nothing.

My theory still doesn't make it a gov't conspiracy, but explains why the gov't may not want to admit that a fighter pilot fired one too many missles.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

How is it insulting or disrespectful in any manor?

The only thing its trying to insult is the American government.

Its insulting and disrespectful because its total bunk. Oh lets "interview" this guy who says "it sounded like a missle that hit the pentagon", leaving us to ponder the fact that it was maybe a missle. Problem is me, and EVERYONE on this board, has never actually heard a missle in real life. Nor have I heard a huge plan flying at full speed mere feet off the ground.

Crap like this takes away from the fact that thousands of innocent people died at the hands of a madman. Its insulting to their memory and insulting to their families. Thats all I am trying to say.

Maybe it hits closer to home for me because I was on an Northwest flight from Detroit to Las Vegas and was in the air when all this happened.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Its insulting and disrespectful because its total bunk. Oh lets "interview" this guy who says "it sounded like a missle that hit the pentagon", leaving us to ponder the fact that it was maybe a missle. Problem is me, and EVERYONE on this board, has never actually heard a missle in real life. Nor have I heard a huge plan flying at full speed mere feet off the ground.

Crap like this takes away from the fact that thousands of innocent people died at the hands of a madman. Its insulting to their memory and insulting to their families. Thats all I am trying to say.

Maybe it hits closer to home for me because I was on an Northwest flight from Detroit to Las Vegas and was in the air when all this happened.

This video I posted, which I'm not sure if you've seen or not, presents a whole lot more than just a man being interviewed about a missle.

There are lots of facts presented that raised my eyebrows.

I can understand that if you are personally affected by the incident, it might not be pleasant to talk about it.

But I wouldn't discount it as bunk so fast. Its a very intruiging and important topic for many people.

[mbrown]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Its insulting and disrespectful because its total bunk. Oh lets "interview" this guy who says "it sounded like a missle that hit the pentagon", leaving us to ponder the fact that it was maybe a missle. Problem is me, and EVERYONE on this board, has never actually heard a missle in real life. Nor have I heard a huge plan flying at full speed mere feet off the ground.

Crap like this takes away from the fact that thousands of innocent people died at the hands of a madman. Its insulting to their memory and insulting to their families. Thats all I am trying to say.

Maybe it hits closer to home for me because I was on an Northwest flight from Detroit to Las Vegas and was in the air when all this happened.

I couldn't agree more. Some people need to think that there are consipracy's. It's a human need for a minority of the population. Hope no one wasted 80 monutes of their lives on that crap.

[mbrown]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ya apparently there is this zionist plan thingy going on. They let me in on the plan when I was trying some gefiltefish (disguting ****) and bitter herbs. There is a jewtabase that tracks them at all times and warns them when some sort of attack will happen. I personally feel it is a ridiculously inefficient plan with a nebulous mission statement but hey who am I to judge.

Check out this site

http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com/

Some slogans include:
Phone your mother
From the people who brought you banking

haha! That site is a hoot! All we need to see why some of this crap continues to come up is the example of gullibility that redhot has shown for us all here.

There are lots of suckers and even more peddlers.

[FlamesAddiction]

I will be watching it later or tomorrow. People shouldn't write it off if they haven't seen it just because it offers a non-mainstream point of view that might insult some people.

Having said that, I've heard some of these theories before and was not sold... although, I do think there is more to the story than most of us will ever know.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by mbrown

I couldn't agree more. Some people need to think that there are consipracy's. It's a human need for a minority of the population. Hope no one wasted 80 monutes of their lives on that crap.

Then there's your side of the population. The close-minded, that couldn't imagine it ever being possible that what you hear on the news, and read in the papers isn't always the truth.

It doesn't hurt to have an open mind.

[mbrown]

I have seen these so called conspiracy videos before. They string along some facts and then try to connect them. I'm opened minded, but I'd rather spend my time on something that is plausible. Plus some of the things that they are insinuating is pure sick. The government orchestrated the attacks? Or Jews orchestrated the attacks? That is sick stuff. when you ahve a pre-conceived notion of what you want to present at the end, it is pretty easy to pick out unrelated facts along the way to make it look like a 'therory'. A theory for the weak minded, but a theory none-the-less. I bet you love Mr. Moore eh?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by mbrown

I have seen these so called conspiracy videos before. They string along some facts and then try to connect them. I'm opened minded, but I'd rather spend my time on something that is plausible. Plus some of the things that they are insinuating is pure sick. The government orchestrated the attacks? Or Jews orchestrated the attacks? That is sick stuff. when you ahve a pre-conceived notion of what you want to present at the end, it is pretty easy to pick out unrelated facts along the way to make it look like a 'therory'. A theory for the weak minded, but a theory none-the-less. I bet you love Mr. Moore eh?

Nope. I can't stand him.

I didn't say I believe any of this, I said it raised my eyebrows. There's a difference.

I posted this video to get some discussion going about the video itself, and the topics it brings up. Some can be easily disproven, and some cannot.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mbrown

when you ahve a pre-conceived notion of what you want to present at the end, it is pretty easy to pick out unrelated facts along the way to make it look like a 'therory'. A theory for the weak minded, but a theory none-the-less.

You know what, I agree with that 100%.

The problem is, our politcal leaders and the media do exactly the same thing. The whole case for the Iraq war used that same recipe.

Osama bin Laden wants to attack the U.S with WMD.
Saddam Hussein might have WMD.
Some guy that knows Saddam Hussein talked to a guy who knows bin Laden.

After all these kinds of statements were made, and with the pre-conceived notions many Americans had after 9/11, many actually believed (and many probably still do believe) that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 even though there is no evidence for that.

Governments use the whole 'conspiracy theory' formula all the time. Hitler used it on Germans. Julius Caesar on the Romans. Napoleon on the French. I'm sure the list is countless. It's up to us to figure out when and expose it. I'm not saying this issue one of course, but it's good to pay attention anyway.

[mbrown]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You know what, I agree with that 100%.

The problem is, our politcal leaders and the media do exactly the same thing. The whole case for the Iraq war used that same recipe.

Osama bin Laden wants to attack the U.S with WMD.
Saddam Hussein might have WMD.
Some guy that knows Saddam Hussein talked to a guy who knows bin Laden.

After all these kinds of statements were made, and with the pre-conceived notions many Americans had after 9/11, many actually believed (and many probably still do believe) that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 even though there is no evidence for that.

Governments use the whole 'conspiracy theory' formula all the time. Hitler used it on Germans. Julius Caesar on the Romans. Napoleon on the French. I'm sure the list is countless.

Well Julius Ceasar was an emporer.. Napeoleon was a dictator and Hitler was a disctator.. Why would they spend the energy on convincing a population that they already control?? Democracy is about Spin to a degree, yes. But I'm glad that they got rid of Saddam. Should they have been smarter and sold it is as a liberation excercise, for sure. But if you think that the reason France, Germany and Russia would not vote for it is because they didn't think there was WMD's then you are mistaken. None of them gave a crap if they had them or not, they were worried abotu losing political influence. that's it. Saddam was a danger and now he;s not. Was he the danger that they thopught he might have been? No, but he was still a danger, especially in that region.

[cheung31]

I've seen the Loose Change one, don't know if it's the same as the one you uploaded, but the reason I watched it was because I also wondered where the plane was at the Pentagon, don't really have a definite answer still..

for the record, I do believe terrorists carried out these attacks.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Before I begin, let me say that I strongly believe that 9/11 was entirely carried out by terrorists.

What they showed on the video I saw was a scale map showing the pentagon. Then they placed a grid over it, then placed a scale outline of a plane over top of the hole. The hole was smaller than the plane.

And in the wreckage of the WTC towers, they still found identifiable pieces of the planes. They even found the remains of a tire. But at the Pentagon- nothing.

My theory still doesn't make it a gov't conspiracy, but explains why the gov't may not want to admit that a fighter pilot fired one too many missles.

WTC impact does not compare to the Pentagon. All variables were different, except for maybe the weather.

I tried watching the video again, but just couldn't stand the "facts" they give. To me it's full of obscured photos showing nothing but smoke and water, saying there's nothing there because it's not seen. Added with a bunch of quotations to help with the story (very few I might add).

I'm not going to debate this further as it could be never ending, but here's some links on this subject.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg2
http://www.innovations-report.de/htm...cht-12739.html
http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen06.html

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mbrown

Well Julius Ceasar was an emporer.. Napeoleon was a dictator and Hitler was a disctator.. Why would they spend the energy on convincing a population that they already control?? Democracy is about Spin to a degree, yes. But I'm glad that they got rid of Saddam. Should they have been smarter and sold it is as a liberation excercise, for sure. But if you think that the reason France, Germany and Russia would not vote for it is because they didn't think there was WMD's then you are mistaken. None of them gave a crap if they had them or not, they were worried abotu losing political influence. that's it. Saddam was a danger and now he;s not. Was he the danger that they thopught he might have been? No, but he was still a danger, especially in that region.

Julie, Nappy and Hitler weren't handed their power. They had to be damn convincing to gain their status and just as convincing to keep their control. All three came from democracies.

They could never had sold the Iraq war as a liberation exercise. There are many other nations in need of liberation. We'll probably die of old age before the USA can convince it's people to go to war to liberate people from another despot. They needed to spin their lies and it shows the corruption of the Bush regime. You can't build something good from deception.