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HOZ · 05-21-2006, 11:06 AM

People elect the government they deserve.... and we criticize Saskatchewanians.

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Displaced Flames fan · 05-21-2006, 11:21 AM

I was stunned. I thought he'd lose in a landslide.

It shows that people in NO, at the end of the day, care more about race than good leadership. I guess they wanted their 'chocolate' city.

Zarathustra · 05-21-2006, 11:44 AM

The same situation occured with Junior Bush. The guy has been a terrible president and got re-elected. For some reason, when a disaster occurs, whether it be terrorism or massive flooding, citizens tend to stick with the familiar leadership.

Azure · 05-21-2006, 11:44 AM

Wow. Seriously, after the lack of leadership from Nagin, one would think the people of NO would elect someone else.

They do deserve what they get.

Displaced Flames fan · 05-21-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

The same situation occured with Junior Bush. The guy has been a terrible president and got re-elected. For some reason, when a disaster occurs, whether it be terrorism or massive flooding, citizens tend to stick with the familiar leadership.

Parallels exist, but it's not the exact same situation. New Orleans was unprepared for something that everyone knew was coming. The Bush Administration was unprepared for something they were unaware was coming. Both are wrong and mistakes, but one looms larger. Also, I would submit that Nagin is clearly a racist where Bush is not.

Those are a couple of differences that I think should've pushed things the other way.

Zarathustra · 05-21-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Parallels exist, but it's not the exact same situation. New Orleans was unprepared for something that everyone knew was coming. The Bush Administration was unprepared for something they were unaware was coming. Both are wrong and mistakes, but one looms larger. Also, I would submit that Nagin is clearly a racist where Bush is not.

Those are a couple of differences that I think should've pushed things the other way.

I'm pretty sure the CIA knew another terrorist attack was going to occur in the United States. The WTC had already been bombed, and I'm almost certain that in the 9/11 report they said they had intelligence of another terrorist attack in the States was likely to occur. I'm sure they couldn't predict the magnitude of 9/11, but they were aware another terrorist attack was immenent.

Table 5 · 05-21-2006, 12:04 PM

why does EVERYTHING have to turn into a 911/Bush arguement?

Displaced Flames fan · 05-21-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I'm pretty sure the CIA knew another terrorist attack was going to occur in the United States. The WTC had already been bombed, and I'm almost certain that in the 9/11 report they said they had intelligence of another terrorist attack in the States was likely to occur. I'm sure they couldn't predict the magnitude of 9/11, but they were aware another terrorist attack was immenent.

Agree, and that has nothing to do with anything I said.

Sorry Table 5, I really didn't want to see the thread go this way either. One is independent of the other.

Zarathustra · 05-21-2006, 12:16 PM

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Agree, and that has nothing to do with anything I said.

"The Bush administration was unprepared for something they were unaware was coming". And so yes, my post has a lot to do with what you said. The JB administration was unprepared for something that they knew was coming.

Anyways, the only reason I brought up Junior is because it is just another example of citizens re-electing an incompetent governing body during a time of crisis.

Displaced Flames fan · 05-21-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

"The Bush administration was unprepared for something they were unaware was coming". And so yes, my post has a lot to do with what you said. The JB administration was unprepared for something that they knew was coming.

Anyways, the only reason I brought up Junior is because it is just another example of citizens re-electing an incompetent governing body during a time of crisis.

They didn't know WHAT was coming, only something...sometime.

Huge difference from Katrina. You honestly can't see that?

Flame On · 05-21-2006, 12:46 PM

It's not exactly the same DIS as you mention, but how similar does it have to be? Unsuccessful is unsuccessful and both relected groups that were....unsuccessful.

Zarathustra · 05-21-2006, 12:49 PM

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They didn't know WHAT was coming, only something...sometime.

Huge difference from Katrina. You honestly can't see that?

Intelligence officials in both scenarios both knew something causing destruction would occur. A terrorist attack and flood. Exactly how this destruction would play out was unknown in both situations.

This is completely off topic anyways. My point was that it is human nature to keep "war time" or disaster time leaders in power, even if they are failures like these two leaders.

EDIT-Hey, at least one poster got the point. Flame on is right.

Displaced Flames fan · 05-21-2006, 01:02 PM

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It's not exactly the same DIS as you mention, but how similar does it have to be? Unsuccessful is unsuccessful and both relected groups that were....unsuccessful.

Indeed. One groups electorate was completely affected by the disaster, the other's wasn't. That's why I said they aren't the same and why I believed it much more likely that Nagin would be rejected.

That's all I was trying to say.

Flame On · 05-21-2006, 02:20 PM

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Indeed. One groups electorate was completely affected by the disaster, the other's wasn't. That's why I said they aren't the same and why I believed it much more likely that Nagin would be rejected.

That's all I was trying to say.

I hear you. Agree that Nagin more unlikely. I didn't follow the election really, did he just play the race card the whole way?

MRCboicgy · 05-21-2006, 05:29 PM

Makes me think of the WKRP episode when Cincy got hit with tornados and they didn't have a tornado warning, so they had to use Les Nessman's "Russia Attacks" warning, talking about being attacked by "godless tornados" and that citizens should arm themsleves.

I dunno why but this whole discussion brought that back

Looger · 05-21-2006, 05:32 PM

Nagin was just one of the ball droppers for Katrina, though I find it surprising that he was re-elected as the ball was a biggie.

It's not like FEMA has to be elected!

Though following precedent, they would be as well...

transplant99 · 05-21-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I'm pretty sure the CIA knew another terrorist attack was going to occur in the United States. The WTC had already been bombed, and I'm almost certain that in the 9/11 report they said they had intelligence of another terrorist attack in the States was likely to occur. I'm sure they couldn't predict the magnitude of 9/11, but they were aware another terrorist attack was immenent.

Imminent? Hardly.....all they knew was that it would/could occur AT SOME point....but no idea where or when or what it would be.

The difference?

I, along with about 1 billion others in the world actually WATCHED Katrina head towards the Gulf with warnings ALL the way it was likely to take a path toward New Orleans.

Yeah..almost about the same thing....in Peter Pan world.

Zarathustra · 05-22-2006, 11:51 AM

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Imminent? Hardly.....all they knew was that it would/could occur AT SOME point....but no idea where or when or what it would be.

The difference?

I, along with about 1 billion others in the world actually WATCHED Katrina head towards the Gulf with warnings ALL the way it was likely to take a path toward New Orleans.

Yeah..almost about the same thing....in Peter Pan world.

Please, read the 9/11 report. Educate yourself. American intelligence agiencies were aware that another terrorist attack would occur on American soil.

If you do not understand the similarities in these two situations and specifically the similiarities in the re-elections of worthless leaders there is no point in arguing.

Flame On · 05-22-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Please, read the 9/11 report. Educate yourself. American intelligence agiencies were aware that another terrorist attack would occur on American soil.

If you do not understand the similarities in these two situations and specifically the similiarities in the re-elections of worthless leaders there is no point in arguing.

Don't those agencies and intelligence services work for....the US government of the time? Wasn't it up to the government to act on their council?
I guess if the Dems get into power and terrorists don't announce themselves nice and conveniently like a hurricane, then eveyone will let them off the hook too. Talk about peter pan.

Zarathustra · 05-22-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame On

Don't those agencies and intelligence services work for....the US government of the time? Wasn't it up to the government to act on their council?
I guess if the Dems get into power and terrorists don't announce themselves nice and conveniently like a hurricane, then eveyone will let them off the hook too. Talk about peter pan.

I'm sorry but this post make no sense to me.

This isn't a partisan issue of democrats and republicans, it's an issue of leaders being elected after a disaster situation(whether it is 9/11 or a hurricane), even if the leader has been terrible. This was my original point. End of story.