Utilization of d 24-25 what do we have?

[Andrew]

Avg toi ranking
1 weegar
2 andersson
3 bahl
4 miro
5 pachal
6 bean
7 barrie

What is bahl? Over 20 mins seems like a find. Who does conroy keep? With prospects can we have an elite d? Quick ai search shows relative even o zone start distribution. Skewed slightly with anderson nsd wergar in o zone. Bahl and pachal d zone. Long term wee need experienced d .
I like how bean and barrie haven't been given ice based on tenure. Other thoughts?

[Bingo]

Have to give credit to the pro scouting (and Conroy) for their book on players outside the organization in the last 18 months.

Miromanov
Pachal
Bahl

Looks like they may have Mantha right.

If Bahl turns into a true #5 shut down guy that Markstrom trade looks very very good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Have to give credit to the pro scouting (and Conroy) for their book on players outside the organization in the last 18 months.

Miromanov
Pachal
Bahl

Looks like they may have Mantha right.

If Bahl turns into a true #5 shut down guy that Markstrom trade looks very very good.

Grushnikov sp?

Seems like a good target as well, recall a lot of people down on the return. Seems like a pretty good return so far.

Not everyone we find is going to be a dynamic offensive player, we aren't Edmonton here.

[Bingo]

Yeah he counts.

No NHL games, but certainly pro scouting (with some book from the amateur draft worked in)

[All In Good Time]

Its a very interesting/deep group actually
and it already looks very promising for the future too

[Vinsta13]

The one person i have been trying to understand more this year has been Miromanov. I saw him as a 'rover' defenseman to finish off last year. This year he seems steady but i don't see top 4 in him. His point shot and pinching ability hasn't really been there. But Weegar is off to a great start and behind every great defenseman there is a partner doing all the hard work to make them look good.

Bahl has really allowed Andersson to come out and pinch more. I think we are seeing the 'elite defenseman' coming out party for Andersson right now. Bahl comes off as a stable, stay at home, hardnosed top 4 player. A first and Markstorm and him is looking like a good move by Conroy.

[DeluxeMoustache]

The piece missing from OP is numbers

It is a positive that the 5-6 guys have been trusted for over 16 min ATOI, especially as they don’t get PP minutes

[DJones]

Miromanov hasn't had much offense but I also can't recall him making any mistakes.

Bahl I've seen some mistakes not picking up guys in front of the net but his potential is huge. I think he could be a legit top 4 guy, not just a #5.

Bean/Pachal seem like a solid pairing as well

This is much better than people predicted.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Too early to tell. So far it has been all over the roadmap. What has impressed so far is they have bent and not completely broken under early pressure and adapted well as the game has worn on. They could have been run out of the building in two of the first three games, but they held the fort until the team got going. More time needed to evaluate what they have back there and whether they were astute pickups or we've been lucky to this point.

[Freddy]

I’m not great at predicting elite talent but damn do I enjoy watching Pachal. Based on his excellent sense of timing, strong board work, and offensive instincts I’m hoping opportunities present themselves to give him some leash to see where his ceiling really is. I think he could be a top 4 on any team and possibly a top 2.

[boogerz]

Based on ES ice-time, Bahl-Andersson are the first pairing (18+ mins ATOI) and Weegar-Miromanov are the second pairing (16+ mins ATOI)

Bahl has looked better than expected. It would be a huge win (pun intended) if he keeps this up and turns into to an Oleksiak-type dman that can anchor a second pairing.

I'm still not sold on Miromanov being anything other than a filler bottom pairing dman being carried by Weegar.

Bean has been averaging close to 16 mins ATOI at ES and can apparently play right-side. If the Flames go cold, it'll be interesting to see if they swap Bean and Miromanov.

Pachal is currently 6th in ES ATOI at 14:34, but he looks good as a stable presence on the bottom pairing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Too early to tell. So far it has been all over the roadmap. What has impressed so far is they have bent and not completely broken under early pressure and adapted well as the game has worn on. They could have been run out of the building in two of the first three games, but they held the fort until the team got going. More time needed to evaluate what they have back there and whether they were astute pickups or we've been lucky to this point.

That's two things though.

Team wise they've had slow starts, and used work ethic to claw back into games. I'm guessing that starts to wane when a) teams take them seriously b) the league ramps up to their level of work ethic

Player wise though it's hard to argue that the pro scouting staff has done a good job with viewings of Brustewicz and Grushnikov in camp, and Bahl with a limited sample size so far.

Team can start losing and that doesn't change the second point.

[ForeverFlameFan]

In my opinion we have a #1 (Weegar), a #2 (Andersson), and the rest are bottom pairing players. Bahl probably has the potential to be a 4/5, I view Miromanov as a 5 (maybe a 4 if he gets carried by someone like Weegs). Barrie and Bean are what they are, players with limited ice time who can play on the PP. I do like Pachal’s game but I don’t see him anything better than a bottom pairing D that can play middle pairing *only* when a temporary injury occurs.

Brzustewicz, if he continues his stellar play and rise to fame, should be able to move up in the middle pairing as soon as next season. Probably need to ease him in though, so calling him up after we trade Barrie (at the TDL if we do) would be ideal.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

In my opinion we have a #1 (Weegar), a #2 (Andersson), and the rest are bottom pairing players. Bahl probably has the potential to be a 4/5, I view Miromanov as a 5 (maybe a 4 if he gets carried by someone like Weegs). Barrie and Bean are what they are, players with limited ice time who can play on the PP. I do like Pachal’s game but I don’t see him anything better than a bottom pairing D that can play middle pairing *only* when a temporary injury occurs.

Brzustewicz, if he continues his stellar play and rise to fame, should be able to move up in the middle pairing as soon as next season. Probably need to ease him in though, so calling him up after we trade Barrie (at the TDL if we do) would be ideal.

IMO Bahl has the potential to be as good as Tanev. Even though Tanev never got big points, I would never call him a 4/5 guy.

Bahl has potential to be a #1 PK and shut down dman. Probably 2/3 type player, just a different role than Rasmus and Weegar.

I love our d so far. They are so big. Teams aren't pushing them around. It's early and we likely have some games where we get lit up but so far our d has been better than our goalies.

I think this team has the depth needed to be contender. Just need to stick to the plan and draft the high-end players to replace Weegar and Rasmus when we trade them.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

IMO Bahl has the potential to be as good as Tanev. Even though Tanev never got big points, I would never call him a 4/5 guy.

Bahl has potential to be a #1 PK and shut down dman. Probably 2/3 type player, just a different role than Rasmus and Weegar.

I love our d so far. They are so big. Teams aren't pushing them around. It's early and we likely have some games where we get lit up but so far our d has been better than our goalies.

I think this team has the depth needed to be contender. Just need to stick to the plan and draft the high-end players to replace Weegar and Rasmus when we trade them.

I doubt we trade Weegs, maybe on Andersson. If we are in the playoff race by some miracle, I don’t see us trading Andersson short of overpayment.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I doubt we trade Weegs, maybe on Andersson. If we are in the playoff race by some miracle, I don’t see us trading Andersson short of overpayment.

Time will tell but we are 3 games into the season. Lots to like but I doubt that we stay in the race. I doubt we trade Weegar this season either but I'm still looking at the 3-year plan where Weegar and Rasmus both get traded and we keep they Bahl's and Pachal to go with our current prospects and future draft picks.

[Hot_Flatus]

The thing is it is only 3 games and two of these teams may well shake out to be absolute tire fires this year (Philly and Edm).

Everyone looks great now, but there are going to be lows this season and big ones at that. This team looks like it will at least play a fast, entertaining game regardless.

I am seeing enough out of Bahl, Miromanov and Pachal to feel comfortable that they are NHL pieces - Bahl may well end up as a top 4 Tanev type sooner than later but we need to see how things shake out after 25-35 games against a string of elite teams, playing elite hockey.

[dino7c]

I have watched a lot of games to start the season and the Flames D even with their struggles have been above average.
LA vs. Sens yesterday if you want to see actual bad D lol

[lazypucker]

Let's see if we are above .500 after 10 games. This team can easily slump to a 5-game losing streak...

[Strange Brew]

Early returns are excellent for sure. One man's trash is another man's treasure for some of these guys but it's pretty early to making any definitive judgments.