[Rumour] Friedman on the deal that fell through between Toronto and Calgary

[sureLoss]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-at-what-cost/

Calgary and Toronto considered a complicated deal for both Chris Tanev and Nikita Zadorov, which collapsed when the two sides could not agree on what the Maple Leafs would have to pay for salary retention. In addition to what Toronto needed to include to acquire the defenders themselves, there would be additional compensation to get Calgary to eat cash. Assuming the Flames keeping 50 per cent on both, the total would be around $3.1M. That’s significant. (When I went into sports media, I was told there would be no math.)

From what I understand, Calgary drew a hard line on what it would take — as is the Flames’ right — and the Maple Leafs weren’t willing to go there.

Bourne asked Treliving about rumours the Flames don’t want to trade with their ex-GM, which Treliving pooh-poohed.

“I have a great relationship with the people in Calgary. They are not unlike any other team that you deal with,” Treliving replied, in the sense that they are trying to make the best deal for themselves.

As a rental, Tanev is a bit of a different case. He’s a Toronto guy, and they’d probably be confident they can sign him. That’s what they are looking for: some control.

Right shot, some snot, term a lot.

23. Zadorov said after his trade there never was a contract offer from the Flames. From what I understand, it was pretty clear Calgary and Zadorov had different opinions on term. The Flames were going to be careful and the player wanted length. It was a philosophical disagreement from the start.

[FlamesAddiction]

Zadorov was just at the right place at the wrong time. Of course he wants a long term deal. He is at his peak now, and while you can argue that he is only a #5 in terms of ice time, he offers a lot for that. He has made a name for himself the past 2.5 seasons and he has to capitalize on that the best he can. But it also makes sense why the Flames didn't want to lock in on a long term deal given the crossroads the team is at. I wish he didn't go public, but I get why he wanted to try his luck elsewhere.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Would have been nice to have an idea of what was coming back the other way to determine of the retention concerns had any merit.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm glad Conroy was sticking to his guns. Seems like the Leafs will probably circle back for Tanev and Conroy will simply have to wait them out as there will be plenty of suitors for him at the trade deadline.

[GioforPM]

Given that this would have left the Flames with only one retention slot and both Hanifin and Lindholm to deal with, Conroy had to drive a hard bargain.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Given that this would have left the Flames with only one retention slot and both Hanifin and Lindholm to deal with, Conroy had to drive a hard bargain.

I wonder if Edwards would have any involvement here given he's probably still ticked off at Treliving for walking out on him. Wouldn't surprise me at all given the autonomy issues that have existed in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if any deals Conroy makes have to go through Bean and then Edwards for approval as it was under Treliving prior to his 2nd contract.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm glad Conroy was sticking to his guns. Seems like the Leafs will probably circle back for Tanev and Conroy will simply have to wait them out as there will be plenty of suitors for him at the trade deadline.

Yeah. Hey if Treliving is cool with waiting until this summer to add Tanev, that’s fine. (He isn’t at all).

[devo22]

having only one retention slot left for Hanifin and Lindholm wouldn't have been ideal. I know we all were a bit underwhelmed by the return for Zadorov, but I think Conroy made the right call here.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wonder if Edwards would have any involvement here given he's probably still ticked off at Treliving for walking out on him. Wouldn't surprise me at all given the autonomy issues that have existed in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if any deals Conroy makes have to go through Bean and then Edwards for approval as it was under Treliving prior to his 2nd contract.

Is there any evidence Edwards is this vindictive?

[Toonage]

What is it with Treliving that as his career progressed his deals sound like they get weirder and more complicated?

He went from trading a pick for Bollig and now you need a compass to figure out the Monahan to Montreal scenario and then we hear this was going to be "complicated"

I wouldn't deal with him just so I didn't have to put up with the escape room he puts you in.

[Johnny Makarov]

Well what would have been the return??

[ForeverFlameFan]

The way I interpet it, and this is just pure speculation on my end, but Treliving was throwing the good ol' 100 page conditional pick book at Conroy, or giving up average to below-average prospects to try and land two defenders at 50% each. Conroy probably wasn't having it. Two retention spots gone and still having to deal Hanifin and Lindholm to contenders at the deadline likely could have been a nightmare unless we took on bad contracts.

[Hackey]

Without knowing the return you can't really have an opinion. It is good that Conroy didn't fold though. Although maybe the offer was so bad it was an easy no. Must have not been great if he accepted the Vancouver offer which was definitely underwhelming.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wonder if Edwards would have any involvement here given he's probably still ticked off at Treliving for walking out on him. Wouldn't surprise me at all given the autonomy issues that have existed in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if any deals Conroy makes have to go through Bean and then Edwards for approval as it was under Treliving prior to his 2nd contract.

I expect any significant retention has to be run past Edwards.

We still don’t know if he’s willing to retain in order to maximize return. I guess we’ll find out in the next few months.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm glad Conroy was sticking to his guns. Seems like the Leafs will probably circle back for Tanev and Conroy will simply have to wait them out as there will be plenty of suitors for him at the trade deadline.

Yes I still have traumatic memories of Calgary getting robbed by a former GM that went to Toronto.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

What is it with Treliving that as his career progressed his deals sound like they get weirder and more complicated?

He went from trading a pick for Bollig and now you need a compass to figure out the Monahan to Montreal scenario and then we hear this was going to be "complicated"

I wouldn't deal with him just so I didn't have to put up with the escape room he puts you in.

That’s just the way the league is going. Fewer deals. Harder to make. Often involve weird conditions or third parties in order to get completed.

[Fan in Exile]

I don't like it coming out that the team was willing to move Tanev. We don't know who was on the block for Toronto. Who's leaking this?

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I don't like it coming out that the team was willing g to move Tanev. We don't know who was on the block for Toronto. Who's leaking this?

I don't think it hurt his feelings. He understands the situation better than any of us on the message board.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I don't like it coming out that the team was willing g to move Tanev. We don't know who was on the block for Toronto. Who's leaking this?

Now that you mention it, we woud always hear about how tight lipped Treliving was and didn't want things to get out in the media and yet here we are, he's been a GM in 2 cities now, and we get leaks a plenty.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Is there any evidence Edwards is this vindictive?

No.

Edwards is a big boy who has been in business for many years. He has probably faced this situation dozens of times, where a valuable employee decided to make a move.