[News] Salary Cap 24/25: 87.675M, HRR ~$6.2B

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732123855983083995

During the shutdown, the CBA extension put in a clause that the Salary Cap could only go up 5% per year, which brings the Salary Cap up to $87.675M for the 24/25 season.

Interesting part is that HRR being at $6.2B...wouldn't that put the HRR/Salary breakdown at $3.1B for Salary, which actually means the cap per team should be $96.875M.

So, the players have paid back the money they owe the owners from the shutdown season, but because of how they negotiated the CBA extension the cap for next year is nearly $10M shy of where it ought to be?

[gvitaly]

I think this would lead to several GMs making huge mistakes. That said it's pretty exciting finally seeing a large cap increase. It gives teams a lot more wiggle room for trades and changes.

I think it will be similar to 2016 when Lucic(7x6), Okposo(7x6), Ladd(7x5.5), Eriksson(6x6), Nielsen(6x5.25), Backes(6x5), and Brouwer(4x4.5) all got paid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think this would lead to several GMs making huge mistakes. That said it's pretty exciting finally seeing a large cap increase. It gives teams a lot more wiggle room for trades and changes.

I think it will be similar to 2016 when Lucic(7x6), Okposo(7x6), Ladd(7x5.5), Eriksson(6x6), Nielsen(6x5.25), Backes(6x5), and Brouwer(4x4.5) all got paid.

The NBA has a cap spike that they wanted the PA to flatten back in 16 and they said no.

It ended up having teams spend 64 million on guys like Timofey Mozgov.

Also allowed the Warriors to set up cap space to get Kevin Durant.

Not sure massive spikes in 1 season are worth it, because you get stuck with some bad deals and the cap won't always rise like that.

[Flames1217]

Expansion, Expansion, Expansion!

Expansion would be a good way to increase the available cash for players without attempting to directly change the 5% cap limit increase. Ideally, two teams brought in at once due to the disparity in revenue earned by both ends.

Owners would also be happy as they all get a huge payout.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Expansion, Expansion, Expansion!

Expansion would be a good way to increase the available cash for players without attempting to directly change the 5% cap limit increase. Ideally, two teams brought in at once due to the disparity in revenue earned by both ends.

Owners would also be happy as they all get a huge payout.

I do worry that 2 more teams would water down the talent in the league.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The NBA has a cap spike that they wanted the PA to flatten back in 16 and they said no.

It ended up having teams spend 64 million on guys like Timofey Mozgov.

Also allowed the Warriors to set up cap space to get Kevin Durant.

Not sure massive spikes in 1 season are worth it, because you get stuck with some bad deals and the cap won't always rise like that.

Based on what Bean had to say in the off-season, that's the NHL limiting the spike, and it might jump as high as $100M over a 4-5 year period.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I do worry that 2 more teams would water down the talent in the league.

I don't think that would water down the talent as much as give more opportunity to players. Personally, I think it would result in more stars than less.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't believe expansion fees are collected into HRR.

Its how big corporation operate anyways. One off financial hits like that, say selling of real estate is usually excluded from the employees participating in getting paid from it.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't believe expansion fees are collected into HRR.

Its how big corporation operate anyways. One off financial hits like that, say selling of real estate is usually excluded from the employees participating in getting paid from it.

Owners just split the fee don't they?

It has no effect on the cap UNLESS the new teams contribute more then average to HRR vs existing teams - and even them it would be negligible

[Roof-Daddy]

This doesn't excite me like it used to.

I don't even want the Flames to be a cap team. Just means they overpay for non elite players and end up with a bubble team that is capped out and isn't going to win F all.

This franchise and it's location can't attract and/or keep elite talent.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I do worry that 2 more teams would water down the talent in the league.

When you "water down" your leagues you allow for more room for stars to be actual stars.

If you want highlights, if you want more marketability and if you want true faces of franchises than expansion is the way to achieve this.

The talent poil is at an all time high, adding some 70ish players into the league will only slightly open things up. With the current talent pool, a 40 team league could even, in my opinion, be plausible in the not too distant future.

Can you imagine the impact that the current stars could have in a 40 team league.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This doesn't excite me like it used to.

I don't even want the Flames to be a cap team. Just means they overpay for non elite players and end up with a bubble team that is capped out and isn't going to win F all.

This franchise and it's location can't attract and/or keep elite talent.

Don't forget that the higher the salary cap, the more expensive the tickets are getting. Only sport that might be close for ticket sales as a percentage of revenue is perhaps baseball, and that's a sport that I think is slowly dying.

[Strange Brew]

With suggestions that expansion fees will be $1 Billion plus the next go round, you can be sure players will take notice. You have to believe the definition of HRR will be a key point of contention in the next negotiation.

2 expansion teams is $2B USD in expansion fees. 50% of that would increase payrolls by $30 million a team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This doesn't excite me like it used to.

I don't even want the Flames to be a cap team. Just means they overpay for non elite players and end up with a bubble team that is capped out and isn't going to win F all.

This franchise and it's location can't attract and/or keep elite talent.

Sure they can.

Iggy and Kipper stayed.

Players like winning and they like when organizations demonstrate a willingness and ability to get transformative deals done.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk left, yes. But only after watching Treliving:

-fail to land Mark Stone
-fail to sign Adam Fox
-fail to land Jack Eichel
-take six years to solidify the goaltending
-fire four head coaches
-let three of hockey’s most famously miserable psychopaths run the bench
-routinely give boat anchor retirement contracts to non-star players

I see the departure of both as a far greater indictment of what Treliving “built” rather than some pointed criticism of Calgary.

[Groot]

So with the cap going up by $4.2 million, the Oilers have *checks math* $550k less than they had this year to work with. Thanks Connor Brown, Dylan Holloway and Evan Bouchard, your combined 2 points will cost the Oilers greatly next year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With suggestions that expansion fees will be $1 Billion plus the next go round, you can be sure players will take notice. You have to believe the definition of HRR will be a key point of contention in the next negotiation.

2 expansion teams is $2B USD in expansion fees. 50% of that would increase payrolls by $30 million a team.

Yeah the players don't deserve to share in that one time fee. Its not like it be something that happens annually, and they will have more jobs available to more people that probably shouldn't be in the pros anyways.

Unless the players union has a way to propose increasing revenue by that amount.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Don't forget that the higher the salary cap, the more expensive the tickets are getting. Only sport that might be close for ticket sales as a percentage of revenue is perhaps baseball, and that's a sport that I think is slowly dying.

MLB attendance was up 10% this year, and TV viewership was up 8% YoY

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With suggestions that expansion fees will be $1 Billion plus the next go round, you can be sure players will take notice. You have to believe the definition of HRR will be a key point of contention in the next negotiation.

2 expansion teams is $2B USD in expansion fees. 50% of that would increase payrolls by $30 million a team.

And then the cap would drop 30million the next season? Expansions fees are a one time thing

[memphusk]

That money will be gobbled up by overpaying middle 6 players easy. Everyone will still have cap issues.

[driveway]

Canucks about to hand Petterson and Hronek some enormous contracts.



You think Petterson will get 15 mil a season?

[FlamesAddiction]

The Flames should horde cap space for a bit, then wait for decent players to hit the market while having fewer options for teams to sign with.