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Bingo · 12-02-2023, 11:10 PM

Canucks 4 Flames 3

- Flames third pairing filled in (miss Zadorov)
- Flames score late to make it interesting after a Canuck empty netter
- Lindholm with two late goals

Calgary4LIfe · 12-02-2023, 11:21 PM

I suppose that the third pairing will be an issue from now on with having Gilbert being the anchor on that pairing. When/IF the Flames trade Tanev and/or Hanifin, the defence is going to look like a bottom 5 defence.

Huska will probably have to split Andersson and Weegar up and have each of them be the anchor for their respective pairings. I guess if the Flames do move on from those two, the name of the game would be to not win, but that's going to be quite the interesting defence. I wonder if Huska then makes adjustments to the system and has the forwards hang back more in a defensive posture, and just becoming more of a counter-attacking team like Hartley's era.

interesting times ahead!

Savvy27 · 12-03-2023, 12:30 AM

Yikes, that third pairing was even worse than they looked. And that was with the coaches trying to shelter them. Personally, I'd rather see Solovyov and DeSimone.

Huberdeau with another game of crafty passes along with Sharangovich keeping on impressing. Huge swing having both of those guys contributing game in, game out.

Bingo · 12-03-2023, 08:57 AM

Yeah honestly anyone thinking they don't have a direction should consider they just torpoedo'd their third pairing without getting a lesser defenseman back.

They either have a lot of faith in a rookie to carry a pairing (Solovyov) or they're comfortable with being challenged to win with a drop off on their roster.

cannon7 · 12-03-2023, 09:00 AM

Markstrom is supposed to be different this year, .857SV% is not that.

Bingo · 12-03-2023, 09:34 AM

He certainly wasn't the problem last night, and doesn't appear to be the problem on any night.

But can't hide from that save percentage for sure.

Flamesfan05 · 12-03-2023, 09:44 AM

That’s why it doesn’t make sense to get rid of Zadorov so early for so little

Unless Conroy has a plan…..

Bingo · 12-03-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s why it doesn’t make sense to get rid of Zadorov so early for so little

Unless Conroy has a plan…..

The difference being the trade request.

Was the disruption in the dressing room enough that he's make a futures only trade and tank his bottom pairing with still hoping they can win and make the playoffs?

Do they see Solovyov as able to anchor that pairing?

Or are they focused on getting returns for all their assets as the primary focus, and moving one of them now - the one that wanted out - for futures was the plan, winning be damned?

Kipper_3434 · 12-03-2023, 09:56 AM

Maybe management is more logical than given credit for, Zadorov wasn't going to drag this team into a playoff run.

kyuss275 · 12-03-2023, 09:56 AM

We better hope kylington can come back.

Burning Beard · 12-03-2023, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

We better hope kylington can come back.

Is there a single Flames fan, player or member of the management team who isn't hoping for this?

CSharp · 12-03-2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cannon7

Markstrom is supposed to be different this year, .857SV% is not that.

Markstrom can stand on his head all night long. The saves percentage stat doesn't show how bad defensively the team is or how good the opposition team is in their defensive zones. The goalie is only one of six positions on the ice. If the Flames played their game on the other end of the ice and Markstrom gets no shots, his save percentage is 0.0% and if he gets 1 shot in the whole game and no goals, that's 100%, even if the puck is shot from 200ft from the other end of the rink. Just saying - he's not the problem for the Flames, especially this season.

Samonadreau · 12-03-2023, 10:16 AM

For some reason the Flames lke to win in front of Vladar and not in front of Markstrom.

Bonded · 12-03-2023, 10:18 AM

The defence is going to be so bad when Hanifin and Tanev are gone

GioforPM · 12-03-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

For some reason the Flames lke to win in front of Vladar and not in front of Markstrom.

They won the game before this on me in front of Markstrom.

1qqaaz · 12-03-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Markstrom can stand on his head all night long. The saves percentage stat doesn't show how bad defensively the team is or how good the opposition team is in their defensive zones. The goalie is only one of six positions on the ice. If the Flames played their game on the other end of the ice and Markstrom gets no shots, his save percentage is 0.0% and if he gets 1 shot in the whole game and no goals, that's 100%, even if the puck is shot from 200ft from the other end of the rink. Just saying - he's not the problem for the Flames, especially this season.

The teams basically had the same number of high danger chances against. The excessive penalties and PPs in this game kind of skew things. Markstrom basically finished with an even expected goals saved above average.

He didn't stand on his head, but he was fine. Gave them a chance to win.

Bingo · 12-03-2023, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Markstrom can stand on his head all night long. The saves percentage stat doesn't show how bad defensively the team is or how good the opposition team is in their defensive zones. The goalie is only one of six positions on the ice. If the Flames played their game on the other end of the ice and Markstrom gets no shots, his save percentage is 0.0% and if he gets 1 shot in the whole game and no goals, that's 100%, even if the puck is shot from 200ft from the other end of the rink. Just saying - he's not the problem for the Flames, especially this season.

Backing this up ...

The Flames have the 6th best shots against / 60 five on five, but the 14th best xGA60. As a differential only one team has a wider difference between those two stats (Buffalo).

When shorthanded the Flames have the 29th best (3rd worst) expected goals against, and the 24th best shots against ... which is tighter but still top 5 in the league for difference not favouring the goaltender.

So relatively high expected goals against and low shots against.

Samonadreau · 12-03-2023, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

They won the game before this on me in front of Markstrom.

Really, I didn't know that.

I definitely wouldn't look at a bigger sample size than just last game. why would I do that?

GioforPM · 12-03-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Really, I didn't know that.

I definitely wouldn't look at a bigger sample size than just last game. why would I do that?

Ok, look at the total sample size. They’ve won more in front of Markstrom than Vladar.

dino7c · 12-03-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s why it doesn’t make sense to get rid of Zadorov so early for so little

Unless Conroy has a plan…..

Their best defensive game of the season was Thursday without Zadorov

Maybe let's give it more than 2 games...it's not like last night was their worst either